Im F*cking tired of being scammed by MPA's and/ or spas

[tasteyou69]

Really this whole thing is not that complicated. You will pay far more at the spas [ than with many SP's]. for sometimes poorly defined services. Also the busier spas and the more popular girls are very high volume and they are often are in a hurry to get you off and out.

Why not try one or two of the well reviewed but not high volume 100 to 120 for hh SP's where what you will receive is much better defined. Also if they are not high volume they are not in such a hurry to get you out. Girls over 35 , and this is a generalization, are much more inclined to be more service oriented.

 

[therealcole]

Hey guys,

I recently visited Sunshine spa and I got swindled by Alisha. She provided one of the worst services I could ever get at a spa. I paid her 170$ for basically a BJ when I asked for FS. She also had terrible attitude and completely ripped me off. I am just fucking tired now of going to many different spas back to back and getting terrible service and scammed for time by either the MPA or the spa receptionist or owner. I am just tired of spending so much of my hard-earned money and getting terrible service and massage in return. I am at my crossroads and going to take a long break from this hobby and may not ever return. You get a much better service in Thailand. From my experience there you don't get scammed as often as you do here in Canada. I have gotten scammed on multiple occasions at either the Canadian or Asian spas. I also recently went to Club Dynasty for HJ and I was shocked the MPA was asking extra for HJ when it was already included in the 125$ for HJ. Then the fucking owner or receptionist has the nerve to ask me for additional tip money. Tip for what shitty service? I don't know about your experiences but I rather not spend any more on shitty services and spas in Canada. I started hobbying 3 years ago but this year and last year has been really bad. This is not a rant but my opinion and recent experiences...

Just go to the high end places and you should be happy.

 

[Ursus]

If you ask a homeless person to watch over your stuff while you go into a store to use the washroom, dont be surprised if you come out and find that both him and you stuff have gone and vanished.

Same thing with a prostitute. If you book prostitutes, you have to understand that they are not wonderful people. So, it goes with the territory that they will cheat you, take advantage of you and fuck you over.

My favourite sex worker - Asian Angela - has screwed me over dozens and dozens of times. You have to accept the bad with the good. When I book Angela, I know she will try to play me for a fool. I expect it from her, she usually delivers, but I still go again to see her because the good outweighs the bad.

Dont take things too personally. These prostitutes arent your friend. They dont care about you. They want your money.

 

[Ursus]

You guys wouldnt try to make friends with a drug dealer and then be shocked when he fucks you over and causes you trouble, would you?

Why expect anything else from a prostitute?

 

[Caligula]

"I have gotten scammed on multiple occasions at either the Canadian or Asian spas. "

If you were experienced, you'd know to avoid shitty places like Sunshine Spa and Club Dynasty.

Every time you had a bad experience, you need to sit down and figure out why you lost money, rather than going back there to repeat your mistake.

 

[cupcrazy]

Hey guys,

I recently visited Sunshine spa and I got swindled by Alisha. She provided one of the worst services I could ever get at a spa. I paid her 170$ for basically a BJ when I asked for FS. She also had terrible attitude and completely ripped me off. I am just fucking tired now of going to many different spas back to back and getting terrible service and scammed for time by either the MPA or the spa receptionist or owner. I am just tired of spending so much of my hard-earned money and getting terrible service and massage in return. I am at my crossroads and going to take a long break from this hobby and may not ever return. You get a much better service in Thailand. From my experience there you don't get scammed as often as you do here in Canada. I have gotten scammed on multiple occasions at either the Canadian or Asian spas. I also recently went to Club Dynasty for HJ and I was shocked the MPA was asking extra for HJ when it was already included in the 125$ for HJ. Then the fucking owner or receptionist has the nerve to ask me for additional tip money. Tip for what shitty service? I don't know about your experiences but I rather not spend any more on shitty services and spas in Canada. I started hobbying 3 years ago but this year and last year has been really bad. This is not a rant but my opinion and recent experiences...

do you remmember the name of the girl you saw at Sunshine spa? Was it Vixon?

 

[SJRich1973]

1. One thing for sure you cannot force these MPAs or SPs. We are now in 'Me Too' hash tag generation. If I see any signs I walk away. No questions ask.
2. They set the price. On my part I do not negotiate. If I don't like the dollar amount I walk away. No questions ask.
3. If price is given then ask what is covered: BBBJ, LFK/DFK, 69, DATY, FS, etc. If I don't like the services on set amount I walk away. No questions ask.
4. As have mentioned on several replies you have to be respectful which you have indicated you are. It is good. But remember this is a business transaction. It has to be both ways. Remain calm and approachable. If you are being disrespected and harassed (mind you these women are strong it is the reason why they are doing this job in the first place), I walk away. No questions ask.
5. If you get this far then you are good for now. Unfortunately you cannot walk away anymore once you handover the money. Consider it as gone
6. During the session you have to abide to what you have agreed. Let us say no kissing. Then don't! But it does not mean you cannot try. You can but do it slowly or on a moment you are heating up. These women want you to finish right away in 10 minutes or less. If kissing is one way to have you aroused and be done then they will let you. Start kissing gently and gradually increased. You should be able to tell if she will allow you to continue or not. Don't force. A no is no in all given situations. I usually try and try until I get 2 to 3 'NOs' then I will cease. You don't want to end up having the entire session in full stop.

Key here as mentioned several times in other forums by our veteran hobbyists is to know and prepare to walk away. It is no different when we were growing up. Walk away and stay out of trouble.

What else can you do? Before you head out identify at least 3 places to go to. This will be your backup just in case you walk away. Go with your budget and stay on set limit.

I will get 1 or 2 bad experiences per year. I always take it as a learning opportunity but it does hurt your pride. It happens when we became complacent and thinking we already know what we are doing. This mischief I consider them a reminder and sometimes a sign...Hey maybe I need to take a pause and rethink my approach.

I hope we can enlighten you to either stay in the course, pause or stop indefinitely.

Happy Hunting!

 

[Woody Womb Pecker]

Purely from a cost perspective escorts are less money. But I find the spa's more relaxed and casual. Just drop in, see who's there, and leave if you don't like the options. For hardcore fucking then yeah, escorts are more bang for your buck but frankly there's a lot more hotter MPA's than escorts out there.

Each has its own pros and cons but I don't see MPA's because of some kind of financial analysis. Often I'd rather deal with a spa than with some agency. And you can "kick the tires" so to speak much easier at a spa than an incall/outcall.

To each his own!

 

[vanelric]

Which spas are you going to? Looking at your post history I can see Vivid, Sunshine, Taboo. Now I've never been to these places but from doing research and things I've heard from girls they don't sound like the best places to go, just food for thought.

 

[Craig_45671234523__]

do you remmember the name of the girl you saw at Sunshine spa? Was it Vixon?

No, it was Alisha

 

[Craig_45671234523__]

1. One thing for sure you cannot force these MPAs or SPs. We are now in 'Me Too' hash tag generation. If I see any signs I walk away. No questions ask.
2. They set the price. On my part I do not negotiate. If I don't like the dollar amount I walk away. No questions ask.
3. If price is given then ask what is covered: BBBJ, LFK/DFK, 69, DATY, FS, etc. If I don't like the services on set amount I walk away. No questions ask.
4. As have mentioned on several replies you have to be respectful which you have indicated you are. It is good. But remember this is a business transaction. It has to be both ways. Remain calm and approachable. If you are being disrespected and harassed (mind you these women are strong it is the reason why they are doing this job in the first place), I walk away. No questions ask.
5. If you get this far then you are good for now. Unfortunately you cannot walk away anymore once you handover the money. Consider it as gone
6. During the session you have to abide to what you have agreed. Let us say no kissing. Then don't! But it does not mean you cannot try. You can but do it slowly or on a moment you are heating up. These women want you to finish right away in 10 minutes or less. If kissing is one way to have you aroused and be done then they will let you. Start kissing gently and gradually increased. You should be able to tell if she will allow you to continue or not. Don't force. A no is no in all given situations. I usually try and try until I get 2 to 3 'NOs' then I will cease. You don't want to end up having the entire session in full stop.

Key here as mentioned several times in other forums by our veteran hobbyists is to know and prepare to walk away. It is no different when we were growing up. Walk away and stay out of trouble.

What else can you do? Before you head out identify at least 3 places to go to. This will be your backup just in case you walk away. Go with your budget and stay on set limit.

I will get 1 or 2 bad experiences per year. I always take it as a learning opportunity but it does hurt your pride. It happens when we became complacent and thinking we already know what we are doing. This mischief I consider them a reminder and sometimes a sign...Hey maybe I need to take a pause and rethink my approach.

I hope we can enlighten you to either stay in the course, pause or stop indefinitely.

Happy Hunting!

I follow all those rules and if you read earlier in this thread I respect all the Mpa's I choose and decide before what I can do and not do.

 

[Kawailuvr]

Have to say ,, sunshine spa is a complete shot hole garbage dump , and from my experiences I wouldn’t even consider Club Dynasty ,, I would suggest you do a little homework’s hwre on the boards and start booking with the women that are hard to book with ( cause that’s is the case for a reason ) I was pissed like you awhile back And now I stay to a small rotation of women I see and don’t change that up . I didn’t see an u known strictly cause I saw her in the hallway and I i had a similar experience as yours ..
If I’m honest you’re going to have to expect some bad experience because these are not good or genuine women they are whores period, I’ve said it many times here they are scandalous whores in the biz for one reason MONEY AND AS MUCH AS THEY CAN HUSTLE FROM YA
these whore would hustle a nickel out of there grandmother if they could

 

[Craig_45671234523__]

Which spas are you going to? Looking at your post history I can see Vivid, Sunshine, Taboo. Now I've never been to these places but from doing research and things I've heard from girls they don't sound like the best places to go, just food for thought.

Yeah, I go to the shitty spas bc they have lower door fees and honestly I don't want to spend 140$ for a door fee. But who knows maybe one day I will eventually do it..

 

[Buzzkill]

Yeah, I go to the shitty spas bc they have lower door fees and honestly I don't want to spend 140$ for a door fee. But who knows maybe one day I will eventually do it..

You answered your own question...

But it sounds like in the end you’re spending the exact same amount of money and would have left happy.

Stick to Seduction or Premier for higher end extras or Flirt for lower end. I usually enjoy Flirt as the girls give really good gfe without any extras, but at least you leave happy.

 

[AJ007]

I can't control my mood as well sometimes I am human as well. I went to spas to clear my head after a rough day, or stop my urges of masturbating and going on porn sites but after these different sets of bad experiences, I am completely rethinking If I will ever continue this hobby.

Bro - don’t let few take away the fun and excitement of this hobby..avoid the bad ones as much as possible and get good feedback before you head back in with your hard earned money...

 

[rhuarc]

Hey guys,

I recently visited Sunshine spa and I got swindled by Alisha. She provided one of the worst services I could ever get at a spa. I paid her 170$ for basically a BJ when I asked for FS. She also had terrible attitude and completely ripped me off. I am just fucking tired now of going to many different spas back to back and getting terrible service and scammed for time by either the MPA or the spa receptionist or owner. I am just tired of spending so much of my hard-earned money and getting terrible service and massage in return. I am at my crossroads and going to take a long break from this hobby and may not ever return. You get a much better service in Thailand. From my experience there you don't get scammed as often as you do here in Canada. I have gotten scammed on multiple occasions at either the Canadian or Asian spas. I also recently went to Club Dynasty for HJ and I was shocked the MPA was asking extra for HJ when it was already included in the 125$ for HJ. Then the fucking owner or receptionist has the nerve to ask me for additional tip money. Tip for what shitty service? I don't know about your experiences but I rather not spend any more on shitty services and spas in Canada. I started hobbying 3 years ago but this year and last year has been really bad. This is not a rant but my opinion and recent experiences...

I hear you. This is a ridiculously expensive hobby, and service levels often do not reflect this. Due to the nature of the industry, many ladies think they can get away with lackluster service. And to some degree they are right. Much of what you are paying for is the profession and risk, not the service.

If you're bitter about the hobby, take a break. Find a different hobby for awhile. You'll find the money you don't spend on the hobby can go a long way in just about any other hobby out there! I've taken several year-long hiatuses myself, and when I get back into things, I enjoy myself more.

Finally, if you agreed to FS for X amount, and she didn't follow through, don't pay her the extra. I've never actually encountered this at a spa, though I have ran into it with strippers. Stand your ground, but make sure you're in the right first. People who cave to that shit just reinforce the behavior.

 

[Craig_45671234523__]

I hear you. This is a ridiculously expensive hobby, and service levels often do not reflect this. Due to the nature of the industry, many ladies think they can get away with lackluster service. And to some degree they are right. Much of what you are paying for is the profession and risk, not the service.

If you're bitter about the hobby, take a break. Find a different hobby for awhile. You'll find the money you don't spend on the hobby can go a long way in just about any other hobby out there! I've taken several year-long hiatuses myself, and when I get back into things, I enjoy myself more.

Finally, if you agreed to FS for X amount, and she didn't follow through, don't pay her the extra. I've never actually encountered this at a spa, though I have ran into it with strippers. Stand your ground, but make sure you're in the right first. People who cave to that shit just reinforce the behavior.

I didn't pay her extra for Bj. We were in the session and we were trying to have sex and she made an excuse your dick is not hard enough and kept making the same excuse. She kept on purpose trying to give me a bj so I would ejaculate and get out of there asap and I wouldn't have sex with her. I asked her if I could lick her nipples and she said that's okay before I paid her for FS but once I was in the session with her she made up another excuse my nipples are really sensitive and I don't want you to lick them. At this point, I knew I was going to get scammed this session.. On top of all this, she gave me a total of 10 minutes really shit massage for the whole session and had a really bad attitude while doing that.. Remember I paid for 30 minutes here and FS.

 

[Craig_45671234523__]

From her motives and actions at the very beginning of the session it was pretty obvious she wanted to scam me... That was the icing on the cake for me in regards to this hobby for me to stop. Don't get me wrong I have met many nice MPA's in this hobby but the majority have been bad. I am going to take a long break to reflect and rethink my actions and maybe I will not come back and maybe I will be back. I have thought about this when I am getting screwed pretty much every time having sex with these prostitutes in Canada what's the point of paying them money?

 

[rhuarc]

I didn't pay her extra for Bj. We were in the session and we were trying to have sex and she made an excuse your dick is not hard enough and kept making the same excuse. She kept on purpose trying to give me a bj so I would ejaculate and get out of there asap and I wouldn't have sex with her. I asked her if I could lick her nipples and she said that's okay before I paid her for FS but once I was in the session with her she made up another excuse my nipples are really sensitive and I don't want you to lick them. At this point, I knew I was going to get scammed this session.. On top of all this, she gave me a total of 10 minutes really shit massage for the whole session and had a really bad attitude while doing that.. Remember I paid for 30 minutes here and FS.

I'm not sure I understand. Was the agreement for FS at an amount greater than $170?

 

[latin85]

If you looking to bang go to sp
If you looking to get a massage and fs go to well known places or mpas
If you want to try your luck and possibly waste your money and time, make sure you are ready to deal with the worst outcome. Sometimes is worth it.

I like having a massage (semilegit) and talk/flirt during the massage part, so I can find out if there is game or not.