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MPAs who don’t like their job

Rico456

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I think it’s not fair with a client to spend money and end up seeing a MPA who provide very sub standard service just bcz she does not like her job, nothing to do with client’s attitude, hygiene or being cheap.
Checking reviews before booking is very important these days, also well known spas always try to get client’s feedback on the way out after the session. They know the importance of friendly service to keep clients happy. This topic has nothing to do with providing or not providing extras, it’s about avoiding those MPAs who walk in the room and give you a vibe that she does not wanna be here giving you massage but still wants to make top dollars.
 
I think it’s not fair with a client to spend money and end up seeing a MPA who provide very sub standard service just bcz she does not like her job, nothing to do with client’s attitude, hygiene or being cheap.
Checking reviews before booking is very important these days, also well known spas always try to get client’s feedback on the way out after the session. They know the importance of friendly service to keep clients happy. This topic has nothing to do with providing or not providing extras, it’s about avoiding those MPAs who walk in the room and give you a vibe that she does not wanna be here giving you massage but still wants to make top dollars.

Girls working in the sex trade are doing it because they are able to make more money than any other "work" . If they are good or great actresses and can stomach the interaction with all types of men, they survive and make a good amount of money. Those that can't perform with these considerations are soon left on the sidelines and leave the business.
Very few are in it because they love either the attention or the sex, there are some , and their attitude reveals it. They become known as the superstars. Owner MPA's, those that operate a spa or agency, often working as well are in it solely for the large amount of CASH that they gain, but these owner MPA's are few.

A large proportion of girls doing sex work are:
1. Poorly educated, and don't want to work shifts at Tim's or McD's.
2. ESL to the level of not employable in any reasonable paying job,.
3. Have a goal in mind (buying a house, education, etc.) NOTE: Few girls are this diligent, or aware of the time limited opportunity.
3. Lazy and don't want a 9-5 job for $17 an hour.
4. Substance addicted and need large pay days to fund their habit.
** 5. Being "pimped" , can be out of fear of physical abuse or social threat (revealed) or coerced into providing a living for some slug.
 
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Noelle and Kennie at Pickering Angels are perfect example of these kind of MPAs, looks like they both got fired but I also have stopped visiting PA as I don’t wanna take anymore chances.
 
So true. I had such an experience recently with a European girl. She was quiet when I met her at the door. I assumed it was a language thing....or maybe she was shy. When we got in the room she acted so annoyed, like she resented me for her shitty life. Rolling her eyes with resting bitch face. I got so pissed off I got dressed and left.
 
So true. I had such an experience recently with a European girl. She was quiet when I met her at the door. I assumed it was a language thing....or maybe she was shy. When we got in the room she acted so annoyed, like she resented me for her shitty life. Rolling her eyes with resting bitch face. I got so pissed off I got dressed and left.
and good for you that you did. That is the best thing to do and not enough guys do it. Maybe I have just been lucky but I have never encountered that at a spa. Pushy upsells, leaving the room to answer the door, restrictive service, you bet. But flat out unfriendly, no. However, I no longer see independants because the times I have in the past I have encountered unfriendly most of the time.
 
and good for you that you did. That is the best thing to do and not enough guys do it. Maybe I have just been lucky but I have never encountered that at a spa. Pushy upsells, leaving the room to answer the door, restrictive service, you bet. But flat out unfriendly, no. However, I no longer see independants because the times I have in the past I have encountered unfriendly most of the time.
To be fair, an unfriendly MPA is very rare. So many of them try really hard to make the experience a great one. Some others are a little awkward and nervous. I can't fault them for that. It gives me the opportunity to help put them at ease, so they feel good about the session. And I always respect a girl's boundaries.
 
and good for you that you did. That is the best thing to do and not enough guys do it. Maybe I have just been lucky but I have never encountered that at a spa. Pushy upsells, leaving the room to answer the door, restrictive service, you bet. But flat out unfriendly, no. However, I no longer see independants because the times I have in the past I have encountered unfriendly most of the time.
I had an MPA bring a paperback into the session, me in one hand , book in the other, informing me I only had 5 minutes before boss would knock on the door and he has no bed side manners …that was my first retirement..
 
Girls working in the sex trade are doing it because they are able to make more money than any other "work" . If they are good or great actresses and can stomach the interaction with all types of men, they survive and make a good amount of money. Those that can't perform with these considerations are soon left on the sidelines and leave the business.
Very few are in it because they love either the attention or the sex, there are some , and their attitude reveals superstars. Owner MPA's, those that operate a spa or agency, often working as well are in it solely for the large amount of CASH that they gain, but these owner MPA's are few.

A large proportion of girls doing sex work are:
1. Poorly educated, and don't want to work shifts at Tim's or McD's.
2. ESL to the level of not employable in any reasonable paying job,.
3. Have a goal in mind (buying a house, education, etc.) NOTE: Few girls are this diligent, or aware of the time limited opportunity.
3. Lazy and don't want a 9-5 job for $17 an hour.
4. Substance addicted and need large pay days to fund their habit.
** 5. Being "pimped" , can be out of fear of physical abuse or social threat (revealed) or coerced into providing a living for some slug.
Good analysis
There are also
To be fair, an unfriendly MPA is very rare. So many of them try really hard to make the experience a great one. Some others are a little awkward and nervous. I can't fault them for that. It gives me the opportunity to help put them at ease, so they feel good about the session. And I always respect a girl's boundaries.
agreed
We should always respect girls and treat them well, this can also turn a session into a good experience but we were talking about those MPAs who are very aggressive in upselling but provide a very poor service with a vibe that they hate their job. They want quick and easy money without offering a friendly experience, sometimes they want you out of the room in 15-20 mins while they have charged you for 30 mins.
i also rarely get those kind of MPAs as I have learnt a lot in past few years.
 
Do not underestimate the intelligence of some MPAs. They act that way so the guy will never come back to see them again when they see a customer they don't want to be with. Yuki of JR a few yrs back was a good example. She told me that's how she get rid of some customers..
 
Good analysis
There are also

agreed
We should always respect girls and treat them well, this can also turn a session into a good experience but we were talking about those MPAs who are very aggressive in upselling but provide a very poor service with a vibe that they hate their job. They want quick and easy money without offering a friendly experience, sometimes they want you out of the room in 15-20 mins while they have charged you for 30 mins.
i also rarely get those kind of MPAs as I have learnt a lot in past few years.
Good point. The girls want a quick turn-over and some get annoyed when you expect your money's worth (i.e. the full half-hour). I went to Red Rose (McCowan location) years ago. A pretty Indian girl greeted me and was very candid about available service. This shocked me, as things had always been a lot more subtle in my previous experience. She boldly stated I could have handjob, blowjob or full service and gave me the price for each. When I offered what I was willing to spend, she stormed out of the room cursing me all the way. In a few minutes a nice, little Chinese girl came in and was perfectly happy with my offer. It was the $40 room fee plus $60 for full service. Greedy, grumpy Indian girl missed out. Pleasant Chinese girl got paid.
 
Do not underestimate the intelligence of some MPAs. They act that way so the guy will never come back to see them again when they see a customer they don't want to be with. Yuki of JR a few yrs back was a good example. She told me that's how she get rid of some customers..
True, but there are MPAs who always get bad reviews and they keep switching spas with different names. Imagine you accept a customer service job where you deal with dozens of customers every day, you won’t like all of them but it does not mean that you start providing poor customer service to those who you don’t like, It’s not fair with them.
 
"Don't like"? ALL of them HATE their job!

No girl grows up dreaming of being a sex worker. I can only imagine having to massage dozens of women every week, many of them fat, old, sagging bags and some smelly. Most want to touch my all over, put my cock in their mouth or worse still their pussy or ass! All the while I'd need to pretend I'm turned on!!! And for a few 20s?

So do your business and get out, don't imagine that you're showing them a good time. No matter how nice, polite, clean, generous you may be, you're still the warden and she's still the inmate.
 
True, but there are MPAs who always get bad reviews and they keep switching spas with different names. Imagine you accept a customer service job where you deal with dozens of customers every day, you won’t like all of them but it does not mean that you start providing poor customer service to those who you don’t like, It’s not fair with them.
Dude, does the typical customer service rep. bang you? KJ was not meaning for no good reason, the dudes are likely drunk, stink, rude, rough, angry, difficult, fat and or unkept. I doubt she was giving people the heave ho cuase she did not like the colour of their hair
 
Good point. The girls want a quick turn-over and some get annoyed when you expect your money's worth (i.e. the full half-hour). I went to Red Rose (McCowan location) years ago. A pretty Indian girl greeted me and was very candid about available service. This shocked me, as things had always been a lot more subtle in my previous experience. She boldly stated I could have handjob, blowjob or full service and gave me the price for each. When I offered what I was willing to spend, she stormed out of the room cursing me all the way. In a few minutes a nice, little Chinese girl came in and was perfectly happy with my offer. It was the $40 room fee plus $60 for full service. Greedy, grumpy Indian girl missed out. Pleasant Chinese girl got paid.
$100 for 30 minutes with full service?!! You jewed her down real good! Any chance prices are still the same or did trudeau screw us up with his inflation?
 
I think it’s not fair with a client to spend money and end up seeing a MPA who provide very sub standard service just bcz she does not like her job, nothing to do with client’s attitude, hygiene or being cheap.
Checking reviews before booking is very important these days, also well known spas always try to get client’s feedback on the way out after the session. They know the importance of friendly service to keep clients happy. This topic has nothing to do with providing or not providing extras, it’s about avoiding those MPAs who walk in the room and give you a vibe that she does not wanna be here giving you massage but still wants to make top dollars.
I signed up here precisely because I was sick of wasting my money and time driving to a crap hole and receiving crap service. So thanks to all the HONEST reviewers (not the shill/promoter scum) and help all of us avoid getting ripped off.

I'll be reviewing Rhythm Wellness, Amazing Spa and Yoyo soon. Saw a few different attendants already will see another one or two this week.
 
Dude, does the typical customer service rep. bang you? KJ was not meaning for no good reason, the dudes are likely drunk, stink, rude, rough, angry, difficult, fat and or unkept. I doubt she was giving people the heave ho cuase she did not like the colour of their hair
Sir, I get your point but it’s MPA’s decision to wok in this industry, no body forced her. Girl working at customer service 9-5 made her choice of working hard instead of using her body to make easy money.
 
"Don't like"? ALL of them HATE their job!

No girl grows up dreaming of being a sex worker. I can only imagine having to massage dozens of women every week, many of them fat, old, sagging bags and some smelly. Most want to touch my all over, put my cock in their mouth or worse still their pussy or ass! All the while I'd need to pretend I'm turned on!!! And for a few 20s?

So do your business and get out, don't imagine that you're showing them a good time. No matter how nice, polite, clean, generous you may be, you're still the warden and she's still the inmate.

lol my thoughts exactly and all these simp retards thinking that they're their knight in shining armor to make their day better makes me sick.

Can you imagine your kid on career day and being asked what they want to be when they grow up? "I wanna suck dick"

I'd slap the shit out of my kid.
 
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    SATUR𝗗𝗔𝗬 𝗔𝗧 𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀: Jenny and best massage Rachel. 🅰️𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀🅰️, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. 🅰️𝗖𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟮𝟵-𝟲𝟲𝟬𝟲 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟯𝟵-𝟱𝟵𝟲𝟲🅰️ JENNY is a sexy Asian honey, about 165 Cms., slim to medium build, beautiful natural 36C’s, long sexy legs & big hips, good massage & excellent services. Jenny has sexy smooth skin and a very good personality.
  28. Moneylee:
    Full season Wellness center: New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Lucky, Student big boobs buttocks Vicky ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo , young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Linda ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 🏠 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 ☎️ 4379857899 👄👄🦵🦵🈵🈵👅👅
  29. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️MAGGIE &* TARA. Maggie is a slim and very sexy Korean lady, very pretty and accommodating. Come and try, you will like. New Girl Tara is a young & pretty Asian girl with big melons and fun services.
  30. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Cindy, Misaki & Tracy, Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Misaki is a young and beautiful real Japanese girl with natural 34DD Cups and a great body. She is open to bbbj, dfk and cfs
  31. Dreaminn:
    SATURDAY[ at 💭𝗗𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗠 𝗜𝗡𝗡 𝗪𝗘𝗟𝗟𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦 𝗦𝗣𝗔💭: AMY & MIMI. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟮𝟵-𝟮𝟵𝟴𝟯 ☎️ AMY is a sweet and friendly Chinese vixen, 158Cms, 115Lbs, with C Cups and very willing to please. MIMI is a cute young Asian lady with a medium build,167Cms, 110Lbs, D Cups & very open minded services.
  32. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 young girls are working today, young new sweet Yoyo 36 DD with curve body and young cute student Sophia, pretty fun Lina and cute GFE Ella are providing deep tissue and sensual massage. Pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  33. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯💯💯 - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Apple😘 - Brand new girl from Taiwan just a
  34. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️(437) 818-8896☎️ ☎️(416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Ivy ❤️ is new girl in our branch, shy and sweet but also very vocal and needy, she demands your happiness and satisfaction. Slim body, supple soft breasts with long nipples and a toned bum bum will have you intoxicated by Ivy’s good looks
  35. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa ♨️♨️♨️table shower body scrub 🌹🌹🌹🔥🔥🔥Angela and Tiffany sexy body 🤪🤪big boobs Round and plump buttocks Round and plump buttocks😵😵😵😵😵hot body slide for you 😜😜😜😜😜😜5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke ☎️416-817-3366
  36. bumika.vashi:
    (((आपको बिना नाटक या नखरे करने वाला सर्विस चाहे तोह याद करना. ))) If you want Service without Drama or Tantrums, Remember it. Will Try To Give You The Best Possible Sweating Experience With Full Company. TAKE MY WORD.?? Don't Waste Your Time And Money In Some Other Place Where You are Really Upset Loosing Out Both Money And Fun. Ok Try With Our Girls Once Then Your Visit Will Be Regular To Me.... _________________N O T E_________________ If u like my services Please Please Do not forget to
  37. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have 5 hot brown girls today 🌸 CHASIDY, LUCY, PAOLA, AMANDA, MAY, KIRAN, NISHA, ANGEL 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  38. Turnernator1:
    blair
  39. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on Friday:New jap tina 💋💋 :heart4 Diana - Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility CiCi- Exotic beauty with great service and...
  40. Sparkling Spa:
    📣📣50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT 8!! INTERNATIONAL GIRLS FOR A VARIETY OF APPETITES!!!📣📣 END YOUR WEEK 🍆🍑💧💧WITH A WILD TIME WITH🎌🎌 JAPANESE CHANEL🎌🎌 & 🇭🇰TAIWANESE ZOE 🇭🇰905-604-8186!!!
  41. Endless Joy Spa:
    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇10am-2am,New First Day Young Slim Sexy Thai Girl Janice, Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki,Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  42. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯💯💯 - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Anna😘- A stunning sexy girl from Hong Kong
  43. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️(437) 818-8896☎️ ☎️(416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Bella 😘 is a beautiful Vietnamese busty girl, very sexy, with RMT style massage and very good playful service. So friendly, and nice. Summer ❤️ has nice sexy body, and nice breasts. She can give very good massage and fun service. Very s
  44. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Michelle,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Aad,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry 🏠address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2☎️4376655510 👄👄🦵🦵🈵🈵👅👅
  45. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cici , Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Jessica , young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Linda,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary . 🏠 2560 Shepard Ave Mississauga unit 1 ☎️ 4379857899 🦵🦵👅👅🈵🈵👄👄
  46. SunriseRH:
    FRIDAY at SUNRISE SPA: MICHELLE, LULU & SUMMER. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on ☎️ 647-325-8086 ☎️ HELEN is a young, slim & very sexy Vietnamese lady. She not only looks good, she IS good. LULU is a friendly and very sexy Vietnamese girl. She is a lot of fun, and can be wild at times. SUMMER is a sweet Asian babe, 5’3” with a captivating 36D-28-39 figure
  47. NewOriental:
    FRIDAY at 🍏💚NEW ORIENTAL SPA💚🍏: HAPPY, HELEN & PHOENIX. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on ☎️ 647-381-2688 ☎️ HAPPY is a slim Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. HELEN is a young, slim & very sexy Vietnamese lady. She not only looks good, she IS good. PHOENIX is a gentle sweet Filipina lady, 5’4” and 105Lbs, with 34C-24-34 assets
  48. aaro_991:
    Athens ga
  49. ASPA:
    𝗙𝗥𝗜𝗗𝗔𝗬 𝗮𝘁 𝗔 𝗦𝗣𝗔: 𝗔𝗺𝘆 & 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗥𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗹 🅰️𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀🅰️, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. 🅰️𝗖𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟮𝟵-𝟲𝟲𝟬𝟲 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟯𝟵-𝟱𝟵𝟲𝟲🅰️ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage and...
  50. Dreaminn:
    FRIDAY at 💭𝗗𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗠 𝗜𝗡𝗡 𝗪𝗘𝗟𝗟𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦 𝗦𝗣𝗔💭: KELLY, LULU & VIVI. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟮𝟵-𝟮𝟵𝟴𝟯 ☎️ KELLY is a young & pretty Asian girl, very slim model figure, 5’3” with unreal bbbj skills & very liberal services. LULU is a very popular & well known Chinese attendant from another spa, very slim and beautiful with 34C Cups and incredible services..
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