Will Massage parlors be the safest place?

[krayjee]

Here are some safety protocol set out by well known escort agency in other board after the stage 2 kicks in.


No physical contact until AFTER YOUR SHOWER.

I understand, you haven't seen her in months, and all you want to do when you get there is give her a big long hug and sloppy wet kiss... Well, you've waited this long, you can wait a bit longer while you get yourself cleaned off. Showers have always been mandatory, but please respect that you have to make it your very first order of business when you arrive. Drop your envelope on the counter (or better yet, arrange to pay via etransfer before you arrive!), head straight to the bathroom with your coat and shoes, and get yourself clean before you give her a proper hello.

Respect SPs' service limits.

As mentioned above, our services are not as easily "distanced" as other services, and we recognize that some SPs and clients will not want to engage in the same services as before. Therefore, we will give our SPs absolute discretion to adjust their services at any time, for any reason. This has always been the case, of course, but it is vital that clients understand this explicitly before attempting a booking. We will ask the SPs to clarify the services they are currently offering on their respective pages, but as always, SPs will have the right to refuse any service to any client for any reason, no explanation required.

 

[krayjee]

Here is some answers from Nikki to some horny guys...

Hey guys, while I have a few minutes... (sorry I can't address everything right away)

1) Thank you to all the owners & managers of various establishments who have replied to this post, publicly and privately. My sense is that we're all pretty much aligned on the restart date, which bodes well for a measured and well-managed resumption of services.

2) There's no right answer to this, and no answer that would please everyone; there are those who think we should reopen yesterday, others who think we should reopen never, and a whole bunch of opinions in between. Truth is, nobody knows what's right, we came up with the best-reasoned position that seemed to make the most sense.

3) COVID-19 is a serious public health concern, and anyone who thinks it's a total hoax is an idiot. But a complete and unending lockdown isn't an option either. The only goal of the lockdown, and the reason Allegra stopped providing services in the first place, was to give the medical system a chance to get a handle on things before the entire thing was overwhelmed. That goal was achieved, and now, a measured and careful resumption of normal life will slowly come into place, to again prevent everything from being overwhelmed. That's exactly what we're doing too, and we're planning to operate at a significantly reduced capacity.

4) COVID-19 poses different degrees of risk to different people. Thinking that everyone should just go back to normal yesterday because you're young and healthy is unreasonable; thinking that everyone should stay home forever because you're an at-risk person is equally unreasonable. Policy exists in the space between compulsory and forbidden, and our goal here is to create a policy that maximizes health and safety while still allowing for personal risk assessment and choice.

5) COVID-19 is a major health risk, but so is poverty, and so is poor mental health. I expect Allegra will operate at a loss or very small profit for at least the rest of the year, but the SPs at our collective can't collect CERB forever, and unemployment is already at an all-time high, particularly for women in the service sector. And clients who rely on sex work for therapeutic services won't be able to get similar supports over zoom. We're a social and sexual species, and eventually we're all going to want to spend time with other humans.

6) Total suppression of COVID-19 isn't an immediate possibility, and might not be for many months (until a vaccine or effective treatment is widespread, or if herd immunity is attainable, which it may or may not be). At some point, the strategy will go from suppression to management, which is why being able to trace recent contacts - especially close or intimate contacts - and stopping "superspreaders" are two crucial tactics to keep it manageable. A single superspreader in a large group of people is a bigger risk to public health than a single SP seeing 2-3 clients in a day, even if that contact is more intimate; that's why we opted for Stage 2 (with booking limitations) instead of waiting for Stage 3 (which seemed to be more focused on group activities). But an asymptomatic and unaware superspreader is a huge risk too, which is why we have to be able to text you (starting with a subtle "May I text?" message, with nothing further until we receive an affirmative reply) if there's a concern. We will NOT share any of your details with public health, and I don't think they can compel us to (a question for my lawyers, I guess) but the province and city have their hands full right now, I don't think they're set up to start banging on the doors of incalls, demanding phone records. If everyone is forthcoming and consistent about contact info, then we can at least let you know if you've come into contact with a possible spreader, or if you might be one yourself. Then, it's up to you to take the appropriate steps, and notify the appropriate people you've been close to.

7) We're all adults here, SPs and clients alike, and we're capable of making our own risk assessments in the current environment. There are certain guidelines that we follow, put forth by the province, but beyond that, it's ultimately up to you. Clients who see SPs have always done so, knowing there were some inherent risks; SPs see clients knowing the same. All we can do is adjust our behaviours within a range that we're comfortable with, to reduce that risk to a comfortable level. Sometimes an external factor comes along, and makes us recalibrate our risk tolerance; COVID-19 is such a factor. As we learn more about it, and as time goes by, our risk tolerance changes accordingly. But eventually, we all decide whether to partake or to abstain, and that's a personal decision that nobody else can make for us. You shouldn't live in a bubble your whole life, but you shouldn't run across a highway with your eyes closed either. All you can really do is make the choice that's best for you, based on what you know at the time, and hope that it turns out ok.

That's it for me for now, I'll try to address the other questions sometime next week. But in terms of bookings, we'll reopen our booking lines as soon as Doug announces the start date for Stage 2, and we'll start bookings from the start date and beyond.

Stay safe everyone!
Nikki

 

[snoopdoggie]

Sorry about this - they just cancelled the appts - not sure why they sent me an email to book - they need the approval from College of Therapists - my bad posting too soon and they're bad for allowing me to book

They probably anticipated opening by a certain date. Then when that date got closer, they found out they were not allowed to open yet. Just like the libraries. They thought they were going to open May 7, or something like that, then they were later told not to open yet.

 

[Vince44]

If my math is right- Toronto's population is 6,196,731. The number of infected people in the city of Toronto as of May 16th was 8,386. Divide 8,326 into 6,196,731 - =
0.00135491. Multiply by 100 = 0.13549079 - This is the % of people infected in Toronto.. Factor in that many of those infected are in old age homes and Downtown, Add in the number of admitted patients with confirmed COVID-19 as of May 18th am at Birchmount Hospital - 9, Centenary Hospital - 12, General Hospital - 23, the fact that I am social distancing as much as anyone and Toronto's new case #'s are half of what they were in April, I feel good about my area... Good job Scarborough keeping the distance!!! - Stoked in Scarborough . Ready to break out my "Moonwalk"..

Of course you assume everyone who had Covid19 got tested. I doubt most who were infected got tested.

 

[snoopdoggie]

If my math is right- Toronto's population is 6,196,731. The number of infected people in the city of Toronto as of May 16th was 8,386. Divide 8,326 into 6,196,731 - =
0.00135491. Multiply by 100 = 0.13549079 - This is the % of people infected in Toronto.. Factor in that many of those infected are in old age homes and Downtown, Add in the number of admitted patients with confirmed COVID-19 as of May 18th am at Birchmount Hospital - 9, Centenary Hospital - 12, General Hospital - 23, the fact that I am social distancing as much as anyone and Toronto's new case #'s are half of what they were in April, I feel good about my area... Good job Scarborough keeping the distance!!! - Stoked in Scarborough . Ready to break out my "Moonwalk"..

Does the 8 thousand cases you're talking about include the city of Toronto, or does it include the whole metropolitan area of Toronto? The population of the metropolitan area of Toronto is at 6 million. The actual population of Toronto itself is about half of that.

 

[xtc27]

Of course you assume everyone who had Covid19 got tested. I doubt most who were infected got tested.

...give him credit he multiplied by 100...

...asymptomatic spreaders def exist, but they also get well eventually...

Ontario has ability to do contact tracing now, & should get on it!

...4give editorial, but Ford govt surfs here on occasion... suspect W1987...

...one factor hard 2 quantify: massage= 99% transmission ... very close & intimate... msg + extras or FS= 100% transmission...

...anyone wants to experiment 2 verify, I volunteer, but girl has 2b Asian spinner...

...so quality of contact kinda increases transmission rate...

...but some ppl get NOTHING when exposed. Immune system works properly.

...some get no symptoms or mild symptoms...

...so even if 1% = infectious, and 100% transmission, you get sick is less than 5%...

—————————

...Lookit USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT...yes, most young & healthy... all were exposed... 1156 out of 5000 sailors tested positive... 23%....77% got NOTHING...

...60% who tested positive had no symptoms...
...so, you meet this 0.1%, or say 1%... bbbj, DFK, FS & msg... 100% transmission...

77% you get NOTHING... your immune system knocks it out...
23% x60%= 14% no symptoms

Remaining 9% outcome based on u & yr age... if u= like sailors, one mortality... 0.02%... if u are older, diabetic, chances jump up... maybe 1%

1% x 1%...

...chances u spread it? 1% x 9% + some of those asymptomatic ones.... let’s say 30%...

....yr individual risk= small.. but if we all act that way, virus will spread fast...

...so just Caliguy & me... rest u guys stay home...

 

[snoopdoggie]

I think its more that they have set up auto reminders to clients. Batch emails - but I don't know why it allows calendar bookings through that email when their website does not allow it? - I will take it up with them..

I think it's much harder to change a website than it is to do things by email.

 

[xtc27]

Even if you add another 50,000 infected cases, our rate for Toronto is 0.80945928 roughly!! Not even 1% of our population. I think Toronto is doing good. Compared to New York City. Population 8,323,338 and 198,114 infected people including probable cases, you get 2.38022293% of people infected.
with 20,298 deaths. As of May 17th, Toronto has had only 8.603 cases and only 672 deaths! Our numbers are way better!!! Way better...

...better if u = cheering 4 humans... obv disappointing 4 virus perspective ...

 

[xtc27]

I think it's much harder to change a website than it is to do things by email.

...harder, but not like crazy hard... nerd-failure either way...

 

[xtc27]

contact tracing... lol that would be great for guys in these forums... “please be aware that your husband was recently exposed to possible COVID at Allegra Spa.

asymptomatic super spreaders?? I’ve never heard of a single one. the recent super spreader in South Korea apparently was symptomatic.

...Contact alert... just a discreet msg u= exposed, doesn’t matter where or by whom... not like AIDS, where either risky sex or drug use...

...WTF u talking about, asymptomatic super spreaders?!?! ...asymptomatic spreaders exist, & drive this pandemic... there are super spreading events, like Washington state choir, where nobody exhibited symptoms.... circumstances made it lethal, not the infectious person...

 

[Yodelsinthecanyon]

You'll save the most and enjoy the very best of health by never, ever going again.

Even if they finally discover a COVID vaccine, you'll still need to worry about the risk of STIs, dying from the flu, car crash while driving to the spa, slipping on a banana peel when you walk in, and so on...


And then the Snowbirds crash a plane on your house while you are staying safe at home..

Please stay at home for perfect safety always.

 

[krayjee]

According to this article, the spreader had "flu like symptoms"

What is a coronavirus "super-spreading" event?

After a choir practice in Washington state in March, 52 out of 61 attendees became ill with coronavirus symptoms.

www.cbsnews.com

The guy who was well known as super spreader didn't have any symptom at all. That's how he was able to spread the virus to lots of people.

 

[JoeMan]

think about this before you post and tell me how wrong I am.

After they open for a couple of months, or for a girl who has been working the entire time, chances are the MPA has been exposed to the virus given the inherent lack of social distancing. So she has been exposed, got sick or showed no symptoms, developed antibodies and is now recovered from the virus.

So she will not pass it to you and will not get it again.

now go ahead and tell me what a fucking imbecile I am. It will help me Gage various members IQ's

You're an imbecile cause you think this virus requires person to person contact. What if the guy before you was infected. Now he's coughed, sneezed, drooled all over the room and furniture. Sure they say they clean the rooms after each visit but you'd have to disinfect every damn surface to be safe. I assure you people are gonna be cutting corners when it comes to cleaning. Best thing is to just get infected first like I did.

 

[Whitesnake1987]

Greedy Whores will never clean rooms, just here to suck and fuck Baby!

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[krayjee]

Where does it say he didn't have symptoms???

Idiots were going around with "minor colds" pre-pandemic. They didn't think they had flu symptoms, just a cold or allergies etc.

You have hearing problem. Pls listen at 36 seconds mark which said "despite showing no symptoms" he was asked to self quarantine bcuz he was exposed to the virus in Singapore.

 

[xtc27]

According to this article, the spreader had "flu like symptoms"

What is a coronavirus "super-spreading" event?

After a choir practice in Washington state in March, 52 out of 61 attendees became ill with coronavirus symptoms.

www.cbsnews.com

...based on earlier article, nobody had symptoms at the rehearsal...

“county health officials... concluded that the virus was almost certainly transmitted through the air from one or more people without symptoms.“

A choir decided to go ahead with rehearsal. Now dozens of members have COVID-19 and two are dead

The deadly outbreak among members of a choir has stunned health officials, who have concluded that the virus was almost certainly transmitted through the air from one or more people without symptoms.

www.latimes.com

...this article is pretty thorough... think it’s accurate...

...b4 rehearsal, somebody had ‘cold-like’ symptoms, but not during rehearsal... prolly thot it was nothing...

 

[xtc27]

"after going to hospital"..... going to THE hospital... what's wrong with british people

In his own words, he says he had no symptoms... that was HIS statement. It could be true, but I take it with a grain of salt... would he admit that he was febrile and coughing ? Of course he wouldn't admit it... the tendency is to overlook symptoms. lack of smell, etc etc.

I would like to see more reports like this confirming superspreaders without symptoms... how much virus they shed...

...so evidenced produced, doesn’t fit yr narrative, dismiss...

...dude, so many examples asymptomatic spreaders... let’s leave aside ‘super-spreader’ for the moment...

...ppl are most infectious b4 symptoms, some long after symptoms, some remain asymptomatic...

“We know that many people who have this infection will have either no symptoms or very mild symptoms and be below the threshold of detection of the health-care system”

COVID-19 asymptomatic tests: 48 positive cases in Calgarians with no known contact with virus | Globalnews.ca

Last week, asymptomatic testing was offered to Calgarians working outside their homes in an attempt to better understand the way the virus is spreading.

globalnews.ca

 

[Sybarite]

Even if you add another 50,000 infected cases, our rate for Toronto is 0.80945928 roughly!! Not even 1% of our population. I think Toronto is doing good. Compared to New York City. Population 8,323,338 and 198,114 infected people including probable cases, you get 2.38022293% of people infected.
with 20,298 deaths. As of May 17th, Toronto has had only 8.603 cases and only 672 deaths! Our numbers are way better!!! Way better...

Cuomo says the real infected rate in NYC is likely 20%.

No doubt their numbers are way bigger than ours, but because it's so hard even for sick people to get a test and there are also so many asymptomatic carriers any percentage you come up with using official case numbers is going to be way, way less than the actual number of cases out there, either in Toronto or New York.

1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest (Published 2020)

Accurate antibody testing is a critical tool to determine if the pandemic has slowed enough to begin restarting the economy.

www.nytimes.com

Cuomo announces latest antibody results at press briefing; nearly 20% on Staten Island test positive

About 15,000 people statewide have now been tested in the nation's largest antibody survey to date.

www.silive.com

 

[xtc27]

Cuomo says the real infected rate in NYC is likely 20%.

No doubt their numbers are way bigger than ours, but because it's so hard to get a test and there are so many asymptomatic carriers any percentage you come up with using official case numbers is going to be way, way less than the actual number of cases out there, either in Toronto or New York.

1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest (Published 2020)

Accurate antibody testing is a critical tool to determine if the pandemic has slowed enough to begin restarting the economy.

www.nytimes.com

Cuomo announces latest antibody results at press briefing; nearly 20% on Staten Island test positive

About 15,000 people statewide have now been tested in the nation's largest antibody survey to date.

www.silive.com

...remember Caliguy did math then multiplied by 100... pretty big fudge factor...

...among exposed, some never get sick at all , some were infectious but no longer...

...think his estimate= fair

 

[Sybarite]

...remember Caliguy did math then multiplied by 100... pretty big fudge factor...

...among exposed, some never get sick at all , some were infectious but no longer...

...think his estimate= fair

I think he multiplied by 100 just to determine a percentage, e.g. 3 / 100 = 0.03... x 100 = 3%. Don't think he was adding in a fudge factor of 100.

Point is actual percentage of infected in NYC (20+%) is likely ten times the number you get using only the number of officially confirmed cases (2+%).

For example in NYC tons of people died in their homes before they were ever tested...

Massive Spike in NYC ‘Cardiac Arrest' Deaths Seen as Sign of COVID-19 Undercounting

The FDNY reported a nearly 400 percent increase in “cardiac arrest” home deaths in late March and early April, a spike that officials say is almost certainly driven by COVID-19, whether they were formally diagnosed or not. Between March 20 and April 5, the department recorded nearly 2,200 such...

www.nbcnewyork.com

c. 99.5% survival rate means massive numbers of people who are not symptomatic at all or not ill enough to be tested are not counted in COVID stats. That means that no matter if you're in NYC or Toronto, way more people have it than official infection rate shows.