What would you do? *Forget it...Just giving up*



hi amanda! (i'm an amanda too)

you have a table, yes? personally, i don't do chair massage anymore. instead i whip out the table with no dressings other than a cradle cover. i have the client lie down and do a shoulder/back/leg routine with them prone. lasts anywhere from 5-15-30 minutes - whatever you want. they're clothed, you can clean the table down very easily and you don't HAVE to have a chair.

then go to vistaprint.com and take advaneforum.xxxe of their free business cards - or even their less expensive ones. you can get a lot of printing from there, for little money. it just takes a little creativity.

don't fret! there is a wealth of information on this board that will help you - and cost you very little.

good luck!
amanda
 


Also a lot of massage stores will rent you a chair for say $15 a day. I know here in San diego Mueller College does along with bodywork emporium.

Jason
 


You could also call the MT's in your area / or the ABMP or AMTA chapters. Maybe you will find an old softie who would be willing to loan you their chair until your first paycheck and then at that point you can pay back rent and get started on a regular rental agreement. Then once you make enough money, you can purchase your own. :)
 


Hi Amanda. I know a lot of therapists have used vistaprint for affordable business cards and have been happy with them. So, that might be something to check out. I like livingwell's suggestion of using a table. If you can do that, I say go that route. If you have to use a chair, can you rent a chair from a local massage school or maybe borrow or rent one from a friend? That may be an option until you save up enough to buy your own. You may be able to find an affordable chair on ebay or on the "for sale" category of this forum. I personally wouldn't do the car title loan. The rates on those can reach triple digits. Good luck.
 


I agree with everything the other posters said, but I would add this:
There is nothing wrong with working a supplemental "crap" job while you are building up bus. as an MT. We all have to make ends meet somehow. And some of those other jobs can be a great source of networking.

Definitely read through the Bus. section here. There is a lot of info about getting started and ways to do it on the cheap.

Oh, and the car loan just seems like a scary idea to me. You don't want to start off in debt if you don't have to.
 


palpable said:
There is nothing wrong with working a supplemental "crap" job while you are building up bus. as an MT.

There is one thing wrong -- if you think of it as a crap job, you will do a crap job, and won't last long enough to make ends meet.

How "worthy" is a masage job if it won't pay the bills vs. a "crap" job that does?

A job is what you make of it.
 


Thanks for all of your responses...you all are right. I have obviously gotten in over my head, and I should just do a job that I know I can make ends meet with.

Thanks for clarifying things for me...especially you, Relax and Rejuvenate. I needed someone to be brutal with me. Dreams won't ffed my family. Thanks for all of your help again, and it has been great knowing you guys for this little bit...wishing you all of the best.

Amanda
 


I was not being brutal - I think you are on the right track.

I object to any job being characterized as crap.

Regarding your situation, you can have a dream to work toward.

But as far as a title loan, that is pretty risky. But you should be able to find a creative solution as mentioned previously
 


LargoLMT said:
Thanks for all of your responses...you all are right. I have obviously gotten in over my head, and I should just do a job that I know I can make ends meet with.

I don't think anyone- especially myself- meant that you cannot make good money doing MT work. On the contrary, I think you will find a lot of folks both on this board and in your community who do well for themselves as MTs.

However, the reality is that many MTs do or have had other jobs to help support themselves until they can make a living doing MT work exclusively. Having to work a non-MT job does not make one a failure, nor does it mean you have to give up being an MT. You just may have to do it with a smaller availability- evenings and weekends, or all day Tuesday and Wednesday and Saturday, or whatever.

And R&R, while I fully understand what you mean by saying that ANY job is what you make of it, I have to argue and say that there are, in fact, truly lousy jobs out there that are nothing more for a lot of folks than a means to an end. But that is another thread....
 


I was glad that I saw this thread today. Times have been very tough here too, and I had to break down and get another job to make ends meet. I have been debating about quitting myself, but I don't want to feel that I have wasted all my time just to end up quitting. I have done some of the suggestions others have put out there, and some have worked, others have not. Things for me have suddenly come to an almost dead stop. Not a good thing by any estimation. But I won't stop, I will keep going until there is no question about being able to continue.
 


RelaxandRejuvenate said:
There is one thing wrong -- if you think of it as a crap job, you will do a crap job, and won't last long enough to make ends meet.

Bunk!

I have had "crap" jobs that I have still done excellent work at. I also have stayed at them for years on end.

There is nothing wrong with working multiple jobs while building a business Amanda. Many of us have done it ---- it takes time to build a business. Don't "forget it" and don't "give up". There's really no reason to. :smt056
 


Hell, I had a whole crap career that I left. I made lots of money and I was very, very good at what I did. But it not only didn't make me happy, it made me miserable; that's why I label it crap.

A job isn't what you make of it; LIFE is what you make of it. You need money to live, so you supplement your income now and try to build a business slowly but surely. That is what I hope to do.

Just a general request, though. Please reconsider deleting original posts. The discussions that ensue benefit other readers that might be in similar situations.

Good luck Largo. I wish I lived in your area; I would have loaned you my chair!
 


sjidoulamt said:
A job isn't what you make of it; LIFE is what you make of it. You need money to live, so you supplement your income now and try to build a business slowly but surely. That is what I hope to do.

Just a general request, though. Please reconsider deleting original posts. The discussions that ensue benefit other readers that might be in similar situations.

:iagree:

and not to mention that nothing worth having should be given up or forgotten about so easily. :2cents:
 


I will say also that with all the "crap" jobs I have had, I have always walked away from them learning something about the job I was in that I took with me or learning about myself in some way. ALWAYS look for the benefit of everything, even if it is that you learned that you were not meant to do that kind of job!
 


dodab said:
I will say also that with all the "crap" jobs I have had, I have always walked away from them learning something about the job I was in that I took with me or learning about myself in some way. ALWAYS look for the benefit of everything, even if it is that you learned that you were not meant to do that kind of job!

I agree with you 100%.
 


I just wanted to apologize for my outburst and for deleting my original post...I know that is annoying :oops:

I have decided to stick it out and to start a bit more slowly. I found a place to rent a chair, and I have scrounged up the money to get my liability insurance (which was really my biggest concern...CYA, ya know? ;) ).

I just allowed myself to get really upset and depressed, but after looking through The Secret once again, and taking a personal inventory of what is important to me and where I want to go with my life, I have decided that I am going to follow through with my dreams after all! I have even found a fellow local LMT to trade sessions with weekly, which I know will really help me mentally and physically...plus, she has 13 years experience and has promised to "take me under her wing" a bit.

Thanks so much for all of your support and for the PMs encouraging me to stick with it...they really did make a difference! I am grateful to have a community like this one that I can turn to for help and support :)
 


:smt041
stay positive & determined and you will get there!!
 
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  30. emjay:
    Kharghar
  31. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 7 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MALAY, SANA, AMANDA, EVE, AAVI, MAY, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  32. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ SARIKA, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  33. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on Friday๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹New jap girl Tina๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ :heart4 Diana - Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility CiCi- Exotic beauty with great service...
  34. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Anna๐Ÿ˜˜- A stunning sexy girl from Hong Kong
  35. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Michelle,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Aad,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  36. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cici , Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Jessica ,Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary . ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard Ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  37. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธtable shower body scrub ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนevery day 3 girls,Cici and Mia and Jenny๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนso sexy girl very good service deep tissue massage ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  38. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young fun Tina with curve body and young sweet student with Summer , pretty GFE Lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in aways welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  39. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 818-8896โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Bella ๐Ÿ˜˜ is a beautiful Vietnamese busty girl, very sexy, with RMT style massage and very good playful service. She excels at teasing and is an open minded service queen willing to make you very happy. So friendly and so sweet with excell
  40. Birchmount&14th:
    FRIDAY at ๐๐ˆ๐‘๐‚๐‡๐Œ๐Ž๐”๐๐“ & ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’๐ญ๐ก: SUMMER & YUKI. Birchmount Rd & 14th Ave., Markham, ON. Call or Text for details and appointment. โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฐโ˜Ž๏ธ SUMMER is a beautiful, tall, and very versatile Thai lady. ๐—ฌ๐—จ๐—ž๐—œ is here today to provide an amazing professional massage. We are open 24 Hours daily. We have clean rooms and plenty of free parking.
  41. Dreaminn:
    FRIDAY at ๐Ÿ’ญ๐——๐—ฅ๐—˜๐—”๐—  ๐—œ๐—ก๐—ก ๐—ช๐—˜๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ฆ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’ญ: HONEY, KELLY & TINA. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ โ˜Ž๏ธ HONEY is a beautiful slim Asian lady with an ample bosom, slightly curvy with a great ass. Her services are highly sought after. KELLY is a young & pretty Asian girl, very slim model figure, 5โ€™3โ€ with unreal bbbj skills & very liberal services.
  42. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Young Sexy CBC Rachel. Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  43. SunriseRH:
    FRIDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: MICHELLE & SUMMER. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ MICHELLE is a young, curvaceous beauty, 5โ€™2โ€ & 130Lbs, 37DDD-31-41, a trim waist, and a nice butt. Come and be pampered. SUMMER is an incredibly sweet Asian babe, 5โ€™3โ€ with a captivating 36D-28-39 figure, weighing 108 pounds. Summer has very good massage & services.
  44. NewOriental:
    FRIDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY & LULU. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. LULU is a friendly and very sexy Vietnamese girl with natural B Cups, and a slim to medium frame. She is a lot of fun, and can be wild at times.
  45. ASPA:
    ๐—™๐—ฅ๐—œ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: ๐—”๐—บ๐˜† & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธCindy & Lina Cindy is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Lina is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did.
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Mia, Nana & Sasa. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Mia is a Caribbean service queen temptress with incredible curves. She can bbbj like a queen, & is open to dfk & cfs.
  48. Moon203:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Persian Turkish i today
  49. Sparkling Spa:
    SLIM, SEXY JAPANESE CHANEL AND SEX GODDESS ZOE WORKING TODAY @โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธY๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜
  50. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 7 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MALAY, SANA, AMANDA, EVE, AAVI, MAY, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
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