Tips have gotten out of control

[Buaya]

You are correct I should have phrased that better. I was more asking if 70$ is the new normal for what she did. Doesn’t sound like it is. However, if guys hold the line on tips mkt should correct. And don’t let them play the poor card working 5 days a week with 5-6 visits a day assuming they get 0 from room fees And roughly 50$/visit in tips they are making 78-85k in CASH which is more then what the average household brings in.

MPA making 78-85K in CASH - is that our concern? Why is that even a factor what they earned. They do things that a lot of ladies would not do. Some will work as cashier in a Supermarket for $15/hr. Some will work in Timmies for minimum wage in the morning shift. It is a choice they make.

They sacrifice their dignity to SERVICE US. Why? you said they play the poor card. Are you sure? Did you talk to any of them. Some of them are abandoned Single Moms with young children to bring up. Yes, some want to have a short cut to have luxuries in their life and willing to do what they are doing to make good COIN. Is that any much different that a Salesman selling their soul to make a sale, or those who are in a job that they hate but the MONEY is too good to pass up.

Please do not pass judgement on those of us willing to PAY MORE. It is our choice. Just like passing judgement of these ladies who do things that others might not do to make us HAPPY.

I am not passing judgement on you. All I can say is that if these ladies are making 75K a year and it bothers you that much then do not support them. DO NOT USE THEIR SERVICES.

RANT OVER

 

[Sir Spank]

MPA making 78-85K in CASH - is that our concern? Why is that even a factor what they earned. They do things that a lot of ladies would not do. Some will work as cashier in a Supermarket for $15/hr. Some will work in Timmies for minimum wage in the morning shift. It is a choice they make.

They sacrifice their dignity to SERVICE US. Why? you said they play the poor card. Are you sure? Did you talk to any of them. Some of them are abandoned Single Moms with young children to bring up. Yes, some want to have a short cut to have luxuries in their life and willing to do what they are doing to make good COIN. Is that any much different that a Salesman selling their soul to make a sale, or those who are in a job that they hate but the MONEY is too good to pass up.

Please do not pass judgement on those of us willing to PAY MORE. It is our choice. Just like passing judgement of these ladies who do things that other might not do to make us HAPPY.

I am not passing judgement of you. All I can say is that if these ladies are making 75K a year and it bothers you that much then do not support them. DO NOT USE THEIR SERVICES.

RANT OVER

Should we start going to the church of MPA’s to pay our respects? I think you got off the initial topic there. Pay whatever you want I’m not judging.
The 75k was more just surprising to me when I matched it out, I didn’t realize that it was that much that they made when you talk to them it’s like they are making next to nothing ... is there some kind of indentured servitude going on?

If your issue is with that only line in my initial post then likely shouldn’t continue to discuss as we won’t get anywhere.

However I need to say the below.

In my mind they do this job because it pays more in some cases and sadly in others because they don’t have a choice. The ones that don’t have a choice have my sympathies. If I’m wrong on this please correct me. I’ve learned a lot about this biz on this thread and hope to continue to

 

[Buaya]

If you want to know the truth some of the popular girls especially those at fully holistic places - what you term the Rub and Tug makes over 200,000$ a year. All cash. Not sure if they declare all of it. Some have to because they have ambitions to own Real Estate and no matter how much cash you have as a deposit - unless it is an all cash deal you will still need a mortgage.

 

[xtc27]

If you want to know the truth some of the popular girls especially those at fully holistic places - what you term the Rub and Tug makes over 200,000$ a year. All cash. Not sure if they declare all of it. Some have to because they have ambitions to own Real Estate and no matter how much cash you have as a deposit - unless it is an all cash deal you will still need a mortgage.

There’s a huge range… some gals only work a few days due2 family responsibilities… & some work 5 days but only see 4/guys a day bcuz she’s new & spa ain’t busy… others get chintzed w zero tips, even have 2 pay rm fee… guys do walk w/o paying… @ all… this guy paid rm fee @ least…

 

[Buaya]

There’s a huge range… some gals only work a few days due2 family responsibilities… & some work 5 days but only see 4/guys a day bcuz she’s new & spa ain’t busy… others get chintzed w zero tips, even have 2 pay rm fee… guys do walk w/o paying… @ all… this guy paid rm fee @ least…

I am referencing places like eSpa and popular ones like Michelle and Emily. Fully Holistics.

 

[Dotanuki]

This issue is a complex one to be sure. All based on issues like life situation, legal status, etc....

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[cupcrazy]

Canada is a free market. you and the girl can negotiate the tip. you or her don't reach a deal, move on. The tips is sort of set depending on the services you want really. If the mpa demands more tips than above the industry average, she better have reasons to convince you why you need to tip her more.

 

[Sir Spank]

If you want to know the truth some of the popular girls especially those at fully holistic places - what you term the Rub and Tug makes over 200,000$ a year. All cash. Not sure if they declare all of it. Some have to because they have ambitions to own Real Estate and no matter how much cash you have as a deposit - unless it is an all cash deal you will still need a mortgage.

200k is about 770$ a day 5 days a week. Sounds quite achievable. What is tip structures for those spots as I have never gone? Like how many clients a day does 770$ a day equate to assuming average services. Going from earlier comments they get no room fee?

Buying a house with funds that you aren’t paying tax on by not declaring can get you in a world of hurt. I would assume/hope they are at least declaring some of this income. Or perhaps there’s an individual cleaning most of this cash for them

 

[Mav]

Nah that was just the easiest one. I’m sure there are plenty more. You used the right too but still don’t seem to know what an apostrophe is. Too much time with a guy sitting on your face in your playfighting classes ruin your brain cells?

And yes talking about class on here is rather funny. You then top this humor by insinuating that being a man has something to do with going to massage parlors and paying them whatever they ask. That is again rather humorous as the majority of guys going in here either can’t hold a relationship or are using this as a relief valve from their old lady’s which is the antithesis of what being a man is normally portrayed as being.

Finally - to correct your metaphor it’s like going to a restaurant, leaving a 30% tip when the expected is 15% and the waiter throwing a hissy fit that you didn’t tip 55%.

If there are guys that have any class going to these places your responses tell me that you aren’t one of them. Either that or you are a troll if it’s the latter I tip my hat to you.

You are wrong here.

The woman who touched your dick got $0 for the whole transaction.

You should feel ashamed. Right or wrong on her part, a tip isn’t really a tip. It’s a payment for a service. If she touches your dick she should get something even if you aren’t happy about what happened.

I appreciate your responses now that have had time to read the whole debate. Education and understanding is key. In this current economy, $75 K isn’t a lot of money. You couldnt buy a house in the GTHA or beyond with that kind of money, even if it was legit in nature. I don’t know your background obviously, but you and I know that many of these women do not have the benefits of established, generational Canadians. Whether they are new residents in Canada, or here on visas… most of them are not in a strong financial position with credit - so try to empathize a little maybe.

Now that you know a little more how the systems works - adjust your spending style and expectations. Have a minimum limit going in just like you’d have a maximum. The only time it is acceptable to not exchange any money is if you walk out. Heck, I’ve had to leave mid session due to my own personal emergency…. And still paid and tipped because I wasted her time.

Bottom line is…. $0 isn’t ok. You wouldn’t leave a store with a case of beer and not pay for it would you ? If you would then that’s a moral thing we don’t share. But I’d hope you would at least know that stealing is stealing… and then you get a service - no matter how bad, you need to pay for it. At least in some manner.

$0 is not ok.

 

[Old No. 7]

Nah that was just the easiest one. I’m sure there are plenty more. You used the right too but still don’t seem to know what an apostrophe is. Too much time with a guy sitting on your face in your playfighting classes ruin your brain cells?

And yes talking about class on here is rather funny. You then top this humor by insinuating that being a man has something to do with going to massage parlors and paying them whatever they ask. That is again rather humorous as the majority of guys going in here either can’t hold a relationship or are using this as a relief valve from their old lady’s which is the antithesis of what being a man is normally portrayed as being.

Finally - to correct your metaphor it’s like going to a restaurant, leaving a 30% tip when the expected is 15% and the waiter throwing a hissy fit that you didn’t tip 55%.

If there are guys that have any class going to these places your responses tell me that you aren’t one of them. Either that or you are a troll if it’s the latter I tip my hat to you.

For a guy who takes pleasure pointing out other posters' grammar mistakes, you should be more careful with your grammar.

Lady's? Try ladies in this case.
Your last sentence is a bit of a run on that should have been two separate sentences. There is no punctuation where the first sentence should have ended.

Glass houses.

 

[Huey83]

Nah I’m not gonna skewer anyone. Maybe she was just having a rough day who knows.

She shouldn't have tried to up charge standard rates and you most definitely shouldn't have taken the tip back. Even if she was tip hungry, that's still no excuse for you to not pay. Just standard etiquette. Leave a tip and if she doesn't like the standard tip than oh well. Also for you to say you didn't tell her to touch you down there, like come on buddy... we all go there to get our nut popped off by an mpa. Like are you just a casual in this industry? Regardless no excuse.

 

[Huey83]

Restaurant one is interesting 15% on 30$ or 10% on 40$ equates to close to the same. So should Tip percent be decreasing If service is the same but base price is higher?

This isn't a fucking restaurant.

 

[Charli3]

For a guy who takes pleasure pointing out other posters' grammar mistakes, you should be more careful with your grammar.

Lady's? Try ladies in this case.
Your last sentence is a bit of a run on that should have been two separate sentences. There is no punctuation where the first sentence should have ended.

Glass houses.

Can't wait till he points out xtc's grammar one day

 

[xtc27]

Can't wait till he points out xtc's grammar one day

He lemme off the hook so far

… mebbe he recognizes a lost cause when he sees it…

 

[Leo44]

You are wrong here.

The woman who touched your dick got $0 for the whole transaction.

You should feel ashamed. Right or wrong on her part, a tip isn’t really a tip. It’s a payment for a service. If she touches your dick she should get something even if you aren’t happy about what happened.

I appreciate your responses now that have had time to read the whole debate. Education and understanding is key. In this current economy, $75 K isn’t a lot of money. You couldnt buy a house in the GTHA or beyond with that kind of money, even if it was legit in nature. I don’t know your background obviously, but you and I know that many of these women do not have the benefits of established, generational Canadians. Whether they are new residents in Canada, or here on visas… most of them are not in a strong financial position with credit - so try to empathize a little maybe.

Now that you know a little more how the systems works - adjust your spending style and expectations. Have a minimum limit going in just like you’d have a maximum. The only time it is acceptable to not exchange any money is if you walk out. Heck, I’ve had to leave mid session due to my own personal emergency…. And still paid and tipped because I wasted her time.

Bottom line is…. $0 isn’t ok. You wouldn’t leave a store with a case of beer and not pay for it would you ? If you would then that’s a moral thing we don’t share. But I’d hope you would at least know that stealing is stealing… and then you get a service - no matter how bad, you need to pay for it. At least in some manner.

$0 is not ok.

Totally Agree with you.

 

[xtc27]

You are wrong here.

The woman who touched your dick got $0 for the whole transaction.

You should feel ashamed. Right or wrong on her part, a tip isn’t really a tip. It’s a payment for a service. If she touches your dick she should get something even if you aren’t happy about what happened.

I appreciate your responses now that have had time to read the whole debate. Education and understanding is key. In this current economy, $75 K isn’t a lot of money. You couldnt buy a house in the GTHA or beyond with that kind of money, even if it was legit in nature. I don’t know your background obviously, but you and I know that many of these women do not have the benefits of established, generational Canadians. Whether they are new residents in Canada, or here on visas… most of them are not in a strong financial position with credit - so try to empathize a little maybe.

Now that you know a little more how the systems works - adjust your spending style and expectations. Have a minimum limit going in just like you’d have a maximum. The only time it is acceptable to not exchange any money is if you walk out. Heck, I’ve had to leave mid session due to my own personal emergency…. And still paid and tipped because I wasted her time.

Bottom line is…. $0 isn’t ok. You wouldn’t leave a store with a case of beer and not pay for it would you ? If you would then that’s a moral thing we don’t share. But I’d hope you would at least know that stealing is stealing… and then you get a service - no matter how bad, you need to pay for it. At least in some manner.

$0 is not ok.

When I lie on msg table, in my mind, tip $$$ = already spent … only way it doesnt get left behind = service not attempted…

Like Kelly spa! No xxtras there, but, sometimes girls get really aggressive massaging my butt, so I always keep an xxxtra $50 & more, justin case an offer is made… but that $$$ nvr gets spent… I do tip $20 tho…

But when I go Bellagio, I get one of hi mileage gals like Lucy or Amanda, & that $80 tip = its already spent… & xxtra $$$ in case theyre feeling really generous !

 

[Sir Spank]

For a guy who takes pleasure pointing out other posters' grammar mistakes, you should be more careful with your grammar.

Lady's? Try ladies in this case.
Your last sentence is a bit of a run on that should have been two separate sentences. There is no punctuation where the first sentence should have ended.

Glass houses.

Ha. I never claimed to be grammar police. It was my worst subject by far back in school. However my sentence structure, while weak, still doesn’t read like a 7 year old on his daddy’s phone.

Are you actually a fan of JD? One night of playing Edward 40’s hands with that in uni killed it for me

 

[Sir Spank]

You are wrong here.

The woman who touched your dick got $0 for the whole transaction.

You should feel ashamed. Right or wrong on her part, a tip isn’t really a tip. It’s a payment for a service. If she touches your dick she should get something even if you aren’t happy about what happened.

I appreciate your responses now that have had time to read the whole debate. Education and understanding is key. In this current economy, $75 K isn’t a lot of money. You couldnt buy a house in the GTHA or beyond with that kind of money, even if it was legit in nature. I don’t know your background obviously, but you and I know that many of these women do not have the benefits of established, generational Canadians. Whether they are new residents in Canada, or here on visas… most of them are not in a strong financial position with credit - so try to empathize a little maybe.

Now that you know a little more how the systems works - adjust your spending style and expectations. Have a minimum limit going in just like you’d have a maximum. The only time it is acceptable to not exchange any money is if you walk out. Heck, I’ve had to leave mid session due to my own personal emergency…. And still paid and tipped because I wasted her time.

Bottom line is…. $0 isn’t ok. You wouldn’t leave a store with a case of beer and not pay for it would you ? If you would then that’s a moral thing we don’t share. But I’d hope you would at least know that stealing is stealing… and then you get a service - no matter how bad, you need to pay for it. At least in some manner.

$0 is not ok.

I will say that there are a lot of things that will keep me up at night. This isn’t one of them.

75k cash is easily well above the average income even in the GTA. But that is neither here nor there and didn’t even play a part in my decision. That number just came out when I tried to hack out what an average MPA would make with the current structure.

I’d change your metaphor if I could ... not
To Buying beer but to going to a club and paying a cover charge. Now let’s assume I go to the bar and ask for tequila, I get it and bartender asks for money. Shot is 6$ I pay 8$ because I like how she squirted it into the bottle. She says you need to pay 10$. In your mind ... If I paid the cover and I then decided to only pay the 6$ I would be morally cleansed?

For the last statement I wouldn’t call it stealing. If I asked for it, hammered out a tip conditional on it being preformed and then walked out? Yes that would be the definition of stealing but fundamentally I think we disagree there.

 

[Sir Spank]

This isn't a fucking restaurant.

Can’t remember if I brought it up but it kinda is now that I contemplate it? You see the menu, you pick and you leave a tip based on service?

Or elucidate me on the difference.

 

[Sir Spank]

He lemme off the hook so far

… mebbe he recognizes a lost cause when he sees it…

Nah I normally recognize guys that aren’t aholes and can actually discourse! You are safe from me.