Sampson Busted!

[Steve-O]

I'm with you on the PRAVDA take, fireballs.

yes, the world is filled with little old ladies who gossip and, to a lesser extent, facts, I suppose.

but there are also misunderstandings, legitimate questions, and important stories that should be discussed, IMHO.

and my guess is that the last thing Sampson wants is for us to forget about him.

keep it coming burt.

 

[sheri]

Drop in when you can Sampson there are indeed hundreds who have said prayers and lit candles, and certainly many who have been able to contribute more than just wishes.

 

[Avondrow]

Excellent points Burt. Plus, some girls do not like the smoke in the clubs.

 

[sarahG]

I gotta take issue with this comment. Since Sampson became involved with the Orphanage,it has only increased the donations and monger interest.

Through him,I met several mongers who purchased,delivered,and constructed
a massive swingset/junglegym that the kids still use. Sampson has donated his time and efforts in all the fundraisers/get-togethers for the past 7+ years,as well as donating some dates with his girls as auction prizes.

He may be guilty of other things,but when it comes to the Orphanage,I have to defend his selfless efforts.

Amo

 

[ImpacT]

I think that's accurate.

The typical padrote in Tijuana makes a girl stand in the alley 8+ hours a day. He then takes her money--which he did nothing to help her earn.

Samspon's escorts only worked when the wanted to work. He ran a website, posted ads on CL, drioe the chica and her date to the hotel, etc. His cut was 1/3. (If he was able to collect it.)

What he was doing was very different than what other pimps/padrates do. While I'm not endorsing what Sampson did I'm more sypathic to his situation than I would be if he were a traditional pimp/padrote.

 

[Edward Carson]

I received the following from Sampson's ex-wife. She asked me to post it for the benefit of those interested in his case.
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Written by Sampson's ex-wife:

1. His attorney's starting fees are $10,000 DOLLARS only for the first six months. They'll normally will ask you for 50% upfront and they don't give you any contract (Retainer's agreement). We got him to accept a retainer of $3,500 -and the agreement- and today we paid $2,000 under the condition that the other $1,500 to be paid on Monday.

2. Bail still set at $20,000 dollars. Tomorrow he'll request to have it reduced by half.

3. Sampson's attorney found out that more than half of his initial statement was "made-up" and does not reflect Sampson's own words. It seems to be that they did not use a translator and Sampson's doesn't even know what he signed. As you all know, his Spanish is basic -spoken, because he doesn't read or write Spanish and they took advaneforum.xxxe of that to have him sign a made-up statement.

4. Because of all the violations incurred, he did not make any statement today and he'll be back in court tomorrow to continue with the initial hearing. A piece of advice for any gringos landing in Mexican jails: It works the same way than in USA. ALWAYS REQUEST a translator. They have to provide it, free of charge to you, and is a certified one by the court. DON'T make any statements that can be manipulated without a TRANSLATOR.

5. We really hope the attorney can get the bail down to $10,000 dollars. We're asking for help from any of his supporters in the form of donations of ANY amount to bail him out. The most and only money we could come up was the $3,500 to retain the attorney and please believe, the most important thing is to get him out of there because he is in great, big danger there. If stupid shit happens in Gringo jails, just imagine in Mexico, but specially TJ. I don't want over the details on what could happen to him there. I'm sure he'll tell you all about it once he's out. Any donations will be appreciated and can be sent by paypal to myvirtualsecretary@yahoo.com. I report will be generated to show amount received and how it was used.

6. On nicer news about the same case, I received a phone call today from the newspaper with an apology, and the offer that they will sanction the person responsible of publishing our son's picture. I'm still suing. They have at least publish that apology.

Thanks a lot and with a little help, we'll get him out of the jail soon. Thanks in advance for any donations.

Peace,

 

[kaiserthegreat]

Who makes more: a bar girl or an escort? Depends on the chica. Some escorts get a lot of work, others don't. (Many escorts started out in the bars, so that tells you something.)

The standard arrangement was a monger paid $150.00 per hour. The chica got $100.00 and the agency $50.00.

Hottie central girls make a lot, but they have to work 5-6 days a week. They also have to tip doormen, DJs, maseros, etc. and pay a fine if they don't sell enough fichas. Escorts work fewer hours, which many find a major benefit Others enjoy not having to drink every day, all day.

 

[owlbeback]

I must admit, I am a beleiver that prostitution should be legal and that their is nothing wrong with a concensual sexual act between two adults that is negotiated for pay. But, I am an opponent of pimping. Pimping is actual exploitation of the sex worker for the benefit of the pimp. Pimping is a significant part of the reason it remains illegal- organized crime is strengthened by pimping and exploits girls. That's how it plays in the news.

I like Sampson- to a reasonable extent- because he made informative posts and ran a community project to help orphans. But, he is/was a pimp. I am not so crazy about pimps.

 

[Pocket Protecktor]

Damn I'm glad you're out, Sampson. Just thinking about you being in that hellhole creeped me out so bad I couldn't really let myself think about it.

I had just seen you the week before. In fact, on Friday, just two days before you got busted, I had called and left a message on your machine that your website was kinda messed up. Makes me wonder if somebody if wasn't somehow hijacking you already, in anticipation of the action soon to come.

Many thanks to CJ for leading the charge to get you sprung and for letting me be a part of it, to the few who were able and willing to give generously, and to all the rest who gave what they could. This whole thing is such total bullshit and never should have happened.

 

[armouror2000]

I posted this on another board. I'll post it here to.
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Today was Sampson's first day in court. (Friends and legal counsel were in attendance.) I suppose in the US system it most closely matches a preliminary hearing. Details about his case are emerging. Thus far there are no charges involving minors, pornography, and/or weapons. Only pimping and pandering charges.

Bail has been set at 250,000 pesos (about US $20,000.00). This is a good sign as in more serious cases (such as those involving child pornography or trafficking in minors) bail would not be granted.

It will probably take about six months before there is a verdict; a long time to sit in a Mexican jail. It is way too soon to speculate on the outcome. But there is hope as it appears there is more media hype than evidence.

Sampson’s ex-wife strikes me as being a competent person who is very knowledgeable about the Mexican legal system. Sampson is a fortunate man in having her support. I've been told arrangements have been made for US authorities to visit Sampson and monitor his treatment.

His ex-wife knows about (and doesn’t approve of) his profession. She’s also aware that he is part of an Internet community that contains supporters and detractors. (However, I do not think she knows the name of this site.)

Sampson's ex-wife asked me to tell his friends and foes;


...while all his customers greatly benefited from his services and everybody is [free] to believe whatever they want, there are a few things that are TOTALLY UNTRUE about the whole ordeal:

1. He HAD no weapons. He had never had.

2. He NEVER FORCED anyone to work [for him]. The girls LOOKED for him because he'd get them the best customers; in essence, decent people who WOULDN'T HARM these girls, so he was really looking after them and making sure all were safe, both the girls and the customers. Actually, as far as I know, he made a few enemies with the competition for his good service.

3. NO CHILD PORNOGRAPHY AT ALL. This is the biggest lie. A newspaper published a picture of a kid, as a "proof" but this is indeed a family picture and the kid there is his son and that the child DOESN'T EVEN LIVE in Mexico or California, but somewhere else in USA. The mother of the child WILL BE SUING the newspaper AND the police, BUT ONLY until Sampon's situation is clear because she doesn't want to anger the cops since Sampson would suffer for it.

4. Finally, as far as he knew, he never, ever employed anyone who couldn't prove being of legal age. HOWEVER, we don't know if somebody had a fake ID.


I want to make clear that I NEVER approved his business/lifestyle and that's why we split about 5 years ago. In other words, I'M NOT DEFENDING him BUT I'M RATHER FOR THE TRUTH. And this is the TRUTH. Please don't believe that anything else. Yes, he will have to suffer the consequences of his acts, JUST LIKE COULD HAPPEN TO ANYONE ELSE. Anyone choosing the lifestyle PERFECTLY KNOWING what they could be facing. My only reason to help him is to try to get him out of the Mexican jail-of-hell because he could REALLY be in great, big danger.
Finally, I don't want any stupid people attacking you, so I'd appreciate if you'd post this message but cutting and pasting the portion so everybody knows that THESE are my words, not yours, with thanks TO BOTH, the supporters and the detractors, because they should at least be grateful that, -unfortunately- thanks to Den's arrest, now the WHOLE community is learning and getting information on how this type of situation could turn.

Thanks a lot and peace.

PS: Again, please omit email address, my phones and my name. (Though I now everybody knows it through *****-big-mouth.) [/quote]

 

[Greenday Fan]

Glad to hear your out and looking better (20 lbs ) than ever. Nothing beats an involuntary diet of rice and beans to lose those love handles. Enjoy March Maddness and don't overdo the cokes, chips and pizza's or you'll put that 20 lbs back in no time.

Sorry to hear about Lidia and her situation. I wish her the best and to somehow get out of that hell hole.

 

[SIR CUSTAC CANT]

King Tijuanero From what I know about TJ escort sites, the girls make less money then they do in working in clubs. This was told to me from 2 AB girls who quit there only to return back to AB month 1/2 later. But personaly I think escort site ratted him out,On other site that I go to there is an escort site promote busniess in TJ.

 

[Darumu J]

the other board didnt turn their backs on him, they felt all should be done in privately.

we all know where to send money if one wants to help him out..

 

["Princess"]

Well there might be a few who say we should respect Sampson's privacy now and just wish him the best. However I feel Sampson's experience is a news worthy event that may effect some of us if we ever want to use escorts, and it helps us learn about Mexico's legal system.

I'm also disheartened that some of Sampson's friends and even websites have turned their backs on Sampson seemingly saying ,'he is an evil pimp, who made his bed, and now he has to lie in it.' As far as I know Sampson's escorts kept the money and gave Sampson only an agency fee, and Sampson didn't engage in some of those nasty pimp games, where the hoes robs the tricks.{mongers}

I also think if Sampson gets out of prison and doesn't return to the US, he'll need money more than ever to cover his legal fees, so I'm not even sure he'll want that much privacy?

 

[cam can help]

when spamson gets out of jail i believe we need stop discussing his leagle matter.

he needs time to get away from what happend to him and maybe spend time with his family.

we should let him have some privacy unless he do other wise.

 

[skeptik]

The legal status of prostitution in Mexico, like the US, is a matter of local laws. In some places it is legal, in others it is illegal. Where legal it often regulated.

In Tijuana a prostitute must have a health card. A monger isn't in trouble if the prostitute lacks a health card, but the puta is.

In TJ public manifestation of prostitution is restricted to a Zone of Tolerance. That doesn't mean a prostitute can't work outside the ZN. Rather it means she can't do something like stand on the sidewalk and solicit "tricks" outside the ZN.

Pimping and pandering is illegal anywhere in Tijuana.

 

[Sharon]

Excellent post! I think that the US is more inclined to extradite citizens now than ever because the Mexican government finally began extraditing Mexican citizens who are wanted on US warrants for drug trafficking related offenses. A tit for tat type deal. Plus, the Attorney General/US Attorneys Office (as is the rest of the Bush Administration) is far right religious- so they are more likely to play into this whole prostitution = sex slavery hype going on these days.

 

[orlando_salcido]

All you have to do in the US is put and ad in the newspaper
looking for over 18 adult models. Then you hold auditions
and make up paperwork for them to sign, check them for
std's, etc...Finally, you figure out it is just more cost
effective to hire an escort.

 

[theone78]

Dr Choi wrote:

I"m with you Dr Choi I'm not sure how the legal system in Tijuana works either. I tried learning all about prostitution laws in Tijuana, and just get even more lost in their laws inspired by the code of Napoleon and their many federal, state, civil codes.

The fist step of Sampson is just to get out on bail. But that really means nothing as he will still have the charges against him, and he'll have to go back to court and face the charges with his lawyer representing him. That's the reason for the high amount of money his Mexican attorney wants.

If the lawyer tells Sampson that he is looking at serious jail time if he loses the case; Sampson will have to make a decisions to jump bail or not? He could jump bail and just come back to USA to live, perhaps getting into his old line of work.

If Sampson jumps bail he problems might not be over. First of all Sampson would have to get past the border patrol, that has his records on file. Will the BP agents even allow Sampson back into the US with these charges pending against him? { I think they will?]

A similar case to look at again is Duane 'Dog' Chapman. I believe he paid a $300,000 bail to get out of the Tijuana jail, over the charges that he illegally detained Andrew Luster, the guy who jumped bail and was living in Mexico. After the Dog made bail and got out of prison in Mexico, he left Mexico and returns to the states and is now living in Hawaii.

However, the Mexican government is claiming that the Dog has jumped bail and now are winning the battle to get the Dog extradited back into Mexico to face charges up to four years in jail, or if he is lucky to pay a large fine?

Would the Mexican government go after a low profile guy like Sampson and try to extradite him back to Mexico?

There are many that say that the USA sold the Dog out! They say the US made an agreement allowing the Dog to be extradited back to Mexico in exchange for that drug king pin a few months ago?

 

[tongue]

Kittyfreak wrote:

Pimping and pandering has always been illegal in Tijuana. And I believe that's the main charge against Sampson? Yes prostitution is quasi-legal in the zona, but other areas we are not sure about? And there are strict rules about prostitution in publics areas, like buildings, buses, etc, etc. I'm sure besides criminal charges you have things like civil charges, the "escorts" didn't have health cards, that's equivalent to a "health code" violation in Tijuana, Sampson was also doing business in Mexico without a license.

For the most serious charges, I guess they are just rumors right now. We have the Mexican papers, saying Sampson, had underage girls, Kiddie porn, and a gun! The US Consulate said, Sampson is being held pending further investigation, and that none of the girls were underage age, nor charges pending in the US.

That's why Pelonegra I said, I'm going to take a wait and see attitude. But if you want to gossip on the faith of Sampson like little old ladies, then knock yourself out. I know I know it's lots of fun. Hell I might join you, because other sites are talking a censored approach to this very important topic in Tijuana, that could effect the way we monger. The other guys are only going to post FACTS according to how they see things, and then lock the thread like PRAVDA would do!

Remember the guy Twatman, Sampson kept talking about, how he got busted for underage girls and porn? It's looks like Sampson, is almost in his exact same shoes, maybe some things were make up about Twatman, because the guy is free now, somewhere in Tijuana. If Sampson is lucky he'll get a similar deal?

Chosen wrote "prostitution is illegal , but porn is legal." That's in the United States, in Mexico, making porn is illegal, but generally they are ok with prostitution. I believe watching porn in Mexico is ok, because I watch it in the 'sex hotels" with the putas.