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Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

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I did a corporate massage gig recently that was...weird. I was asked by a local chiropractor who offered me $10/massage hour (excluding lunch) to massage employees at a wellness fair, with the goal of getting them to book an appointment with the chiropractor and HIS massage therapist (who was not there). I was told not to hand out my own business cards, and if anyone wanted to schedule an appointment with me, I was to tell them to call the chiropractic office (who would try to get them to book with their massage therapist instead).

Personally, it felt very awkward and not totally on the up&up when these people, fully enjoying my massage, would ask me what days/hours I worked, if I did outcall, if they could have my card, etc. and I had to tell them no, be vague about it, or tell them they had to ask the chiropractor for my information. Basically, I was drumming up business for another massage therapist. Is this common?
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

No, most people would not have agreed to work for some one else (as opposed to promoting yourself) for such low pay.

It was not slavery as you did agree to the terms.

Better choice would have been to contact the organizers yourself for a space.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

4thChakra said:
I did a corporate massage gig recently that was...weird. I was asked by a local chiropractor who offered me $10/massage hour (excluding lunch) to massage employees at a wellness fair, with the goal of getting them to book an appointment with the chiropractor and HIS massage therapist (who was not there). I was told not to hand out my own business cards, and if anyone wanted to schedule an appointment with me, I was to tell them to call the chiropractic office (who would try to get them to book with their massage therapist instead).

Personally, it felt very awkward and not totally on the up&up when these people, fully enjoying my massage, would ask me what days/hours I worked, if I did outcall, if they could have my card, etc. and I had to tell them no, be vague about it, or tell them they had to ask the chiropractor for my information. Basically, I was drumming up business for another massage therapist. Is this common?

Why would you agree to such an arrangement? I think that Squash_Blsm is right, I would have contacted the organizers myself!
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

I have worked lots of chair massage events for other people, but never for that low. I agree, it does feel a little odd when you have to continually explain that "we are a mobile service" and there is no guarantee they would get me next time.

Personally, I would not work for $10.00 per hour. In fact, I would find it hard not to laugh when offered!

Was it presented to you differently at the start? Was there some other benefit to you - freebies of some sort? The chiropractor is a relative?!
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

Yeah, thats a pretty lousy deal!

I once had a Chiro offer me a job and when he showed me the Massage room there was a phone with a long cord hanging on the wall. Part of my job would be to answer the phone while performing massage!



Love the thread title!
 
Plumbing the depths of massage exploitation

He had a position open in his office, for which I applied. He hired someone else before I even met him, but he emailed me (among others) and said he regularly used LMTs from time to time for corporate chair massage events. He said it was a "quick way to earn some cash." Since $10/hr was better than $0/hr., I thought I would try it out. The reason I didn't contact the organizer myself is because we (the LMTs) were not told where we were going until we got there.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

Vivian said:
Yeah, thats a pretty lousy deal!

I once had a Chiro offer me a job and when he showed me the Massage room there was a phone with a long cord hanging on the wall. Part of my job would be to answer the phone while performing massage!

Vivian, that is hysterical. Do you know if anyone ever actually agreed to work for him?
 
Plumbing the depths of massage exploitation

4thChakra said:
He had a position open in his office, for which I applied. He hired someone else before I even met him, but he emailed me (among others) and said he regularly used LMTs from time to time for corporate chair massage events. He said it was a "quick way to earn some cash." Since $10/hr was better than $0/hr., I thought I would try it out. The reason I didn't contact the organizer myself is because we (the LMTs) were not told where we were going until we got there.


Well, live and learn, right? Hopefully you will not have to take a job like that again - especially since it has such negative feelings for you. I imagine that might come across during the work as well. Not the best foresight for that chiro either!
 
Plumbing the depths of massage exploitation

4thChakra said:
He had a position open in his office, for which I applied. He hired someone else before I even met him, but he emailed me (among others) and said he regularly used LMTs from time to time for corporate chair massage events. He said it was a "quick way to earn some cash." Since $10/hr was better than $0/hr., I thought I would try it out. The reason I didn't contact the organizer myself is because we (the LMTs) were not told where we were going until we got there.

And "using" those MTs is exactly what he is doing. A good lesson here is to make sure you don't undervalue your time when considering offers of work. NEVER do any work for a lower rate than you feel is acceptable. It's obvious here that you feel resentment over having worked for such a low rate, but you did have a choice therefore it's not "slavery."

GreenDragonfly said:
Well, live and learn, right? Hopefully you will not have to take a job like that again - especially since it has such negative feelings for you. I imagine that might come across during the work as well. Not the best foresight for that chiro either!

I'm not sure why the chiro's foresight is being questioned. He got exactly what he wanted - CHEAP labor to promote his practice. I doubt the MT who works for him was unavailable that day, probably just UNWILLING to work for such a low wage.
 
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Pete said:
I'm not sure why the chiro's foresight is being questioned. He got exactly what he wanted - CHEAP labor to promote his practice. I doubt the MT who works for him was unavailable that day, probably just UNWILLING to work for such a low wage.

I linked up the chiro's foresight because if he's hiring MTs that are either likely to feel resentful, or be so desperate to take a job at a compensation amount that isn't what is 'usual and customary' that their new hire might not do such a great job.

So they have these resentful/desperate MTs that are, for all intensive purposes acting as the DRAW to get more people in their business for more massage? Does not sound like a sound business plan to me. I would want to put my best foot forward in such a scenario!
 
Plumbing the depths of massage exploitation

GreenDragonfly said:
Pete said:
I'm not sure why the chiro's foresight is being questioned. He got exactly what he wanted - CHEAP labor to promote his practice. I doubt the MT who works for him was unavailable that day, probably just UNWILLING to work for such a low wage.

I linked up the chiro's foresight because if he's hiring MTs that are either likely to feel resentful, or be so desperate to take a job at a compensation amount that isn't what is 'usual and customary' that their new hire might not do such a great job.

So they have these resentful/desperate MTs that are, for all intensive purposes acting as the DRAW to get more people in their business for more massage? Does not sound like a sound business plan to me. I would want to put my best foot forward in such a scenario!

Well, usually the MT is putting their best foot forward DURING the event; the negative feelings come later and the chiro is most likely unaware. There is a prevalent opinion out there that MTs make about $10/hour but we did that to ourselves. How many salons and spas pay that to their MT? TONS! As long as we (MTs) continue to accept such low paying work, that work will continue to be offered. If this chiro was unable to find ANYONE to accept $10/hr, he'd pay more.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

I wouldn't do this job for such low pay, but it was obviously an interesting learning experience, and sometimes that is more valuable than other forms of compensation. You certainly learned some things, right?
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

Nice sig, Jason. Yes, I did learn stuff, although I'm not quite sure what. I have since seen other ads for outcall massage jobs through chiro offices, paying $10/hr. I guess I was naive enough to think there'd be some way to get clients out of it somehow, since the pay was so low, or the chiro would see what great work I do, and would hire me for his office. ::sound of shattering illusions::

I guess they see people working for ME for $15, and think some will even go for $10, not counting that at places like ME, tips bring the rate up to $25-35/massage.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

4thChakra said:
Vivian said:
Yeah, thats a pretty lousy deal!

I once had a Chiro offer me a job and when he showed me the Massage room there was a phone with a long cord hanging on the wall. Part of my job would be to answer the phone while performing massage!

Vivian, that is hysterical. Do you know if anyone ever actually agreed to work for him?

I ran into that Chiro when i was green and fresh out of school. Eventually I ended up meeting several MT's that had worked for him, none for very long, and they had plenty of stories. The chief complaint was that he would barter the MT down on her price for a massage for one of his patients, right in front of the patient. So the MT would accept a discount fee over looking like a bad guy in front of clients.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

[quote="Vivian"I ran into that Chiro when i was green and fresh out of school. Eventually I ended up meeting several MT's that had worked for him, none for very long, and they had plenty of stories. The chief complaint was that he would barter the MT down on her price for a massage for one of his patients, right in front of the patient. So the MT would accept a discount fee over looking like a bad guy in front of clients.[/quote]

That's almost like what one chiro I worked for wanted me to do. They wanted me to offer their clients a first time discount - I had no problems with that - then still expect me to pay the full amount of commission as if I hadn't given them the discount. So, I would end up losing money on the deal.
 
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    FRIDAY at 💭𝗗𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗠 𝗜𝗡𝗡 𝗪𝗘𝗟𝗟𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦 𝗦𝗣𝗔💭: HONEY, KELLY & TINA. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟮𝟵-𝟮𝟵𝟴𝟯 ☎️ HONEY is a beautiful slim Asian lady with an ample bosom, slightly curvy with a great ass. Her services are highly sought after. KELLY is a young & pretty Asian girl, very slim model figure, 5’3” with unreal bbbj skills & very liberal services.
  37. Endless Joy Spa:
    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇10am-2am, Young Sexy CBC Rachel. Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  38. SunriseRH:
    FRIDAY at 𝗦𝗨𝗡𝗥𝗜𝗦𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔: MICHELLE & SUMMER. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟯𝟮𝟱-𝟴𝟬𝟴𝟲 ☎️ MICHELLE is a young, curvaceous beauty, 5’2” & 130Lbs, 37DDD-31-41, a trim waist, and a nice butt. Come and be pampered. SUMMER is an incredibly sweet Asian babe, 5’3” with a captivating 36D-28-39 figure, weighing 108 pounds. Summer has very good massage & services.
  39. NewOriental:
    FRIDAY at 🍏💚𝗡𝗘𝗪 𝗢𝗥𝗜𝗘𝗡𝗧𝗔𝗟 𝗦𝗣𝗔💚🍏: HAPPY & LULU. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟯𝟴𝟭-𝟮𝟲𝟴𝟴 ☎️ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. LULU is a friendly and very sexy Vietnamese girl with natural B Cups, and a slim to medium frame. She is a lot of fun, and can be wild at times.
  40. ASPA:
    𝗙𝗥𝗜𝗗𝗔𝗬 𝗮𝘁 𝗔 𝗦𝗣𝗔: 𝗔𝗺𝘆 & 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗥𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗹 🅰️𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀🅰️, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. 🅰️𝗖𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟮𝟵-𝟲𝟲𝟬𝟲 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟯𝟵-𝟱𝟵𝟲𝟲🅰️ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  41. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️Cindy & Lina Cindy is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Lina is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did.
  42. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Cindy, Mia, Nana & Sasa. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Mia is a Caribbean service queen temptress with incredible curves. She can bbbj like a queen, & is open to dfk & cfs.
  43. Moon203:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Persian Turkish i today
  44. Sparkling Spa:
    SLIM, SEXY JAPANESE CHANEL AND SEX GODDESS ZOE WORKING TODAY @⚡🌟SPARKLING SPA⚡🌟 ✅50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8✅ 👌Markham, ON L3R 8X4👌 ☎️(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Line☎️ ☎️(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone☎️Y🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥SUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘
  45. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have 7 hot brown girls today 🌸 ASHA, MALAY, SANA, AMANDA, EVE, AAVI, MAY, KIRAN 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  46. bumika.vashi:
    VASHI NAVI MUMBAI FULL SERVICE :oops: TeleGram: @BUMIKAVASHI ☎️ WhatsApp9️⃣9️⃣3️⃣0️⃣9️⃣1️⃣2️⃣6️⃣6️⃣9️⃣
  47. bumika.vashi:
    आपको बिना नाटक या नखरे करने वाला सर्विस चाहे तोह याद करना. :oops:If you want Service without Drama or Tantrums, Remember it.:oops: Will Try To Give You The Best Possible Sweating Experience With Full Company. TAKE MY WORD.?? 💋 Don't Waste Your Time And Money In Some Other Place Where You are Really Upset Loosing Out Both Money And Fun. Ok Try With Our Girls Once Then Your Visit Will Be Regular To Me.... _________________N O T E_________________ If u like my services Please Please Do not
  48. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on Thursday:New girl Tina💋💋 Vittoria- Sweet school girl with a large serving of naughtiness Angela- Slim beauty with long legs and nice proportions Julia- Exotic...
  49. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥 💯REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯 🔥TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: Anna😘- A stunning sexy girl from Hong Kong
  50. Moon203:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Cuban girl (Mimi) in today
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