Chat Reflections

[LazyBoy]

Happy end of 2019 everyone! Here's hoping you all have an excellent 2020. I see 2020 as the year of perfect vision. I intend to spend 2020 reflecting on my time in the hobby, my ups and my downs, my treasured experiences and my mistakes.

2019 was interesting. I went back to the massage scene after a couple of years off and all in all, I think I prefer the SP side of things. I've had a couple of great sessions, and met some great women. Cheers @Jamie Karuna! You are a classy woman and I do look forward to seeing you again! Other than Jamie, there really isn't anyone else in the massage side that I want to see again. I wrote a favourable review for Brielle at Seduction, but hot as she was, I don't have that "itch" to see her again. I wrote a great review for Abu at Flirt, but my second visit with her left a lot to be desired and I won't be seeing her again either. To be fair to her though, she was my first low mileage session in a long time in that first visit, and in the second, most if not all the magic and fantasy was just gone.

I think what attracted me the most to the massage side was the mystery. That whole, what does she really look like, and will she or won't she fuck me? It seems like a simple thing, but that's what got me hooked in the first place. I think we've all felt that "oh I'm special she only does this with me" shit before. My problem was that I believed it for too long and it was hard climbing out of the rabbit hole.

Now that I'm "older and wiser", I find that I have no taste for the mystery anymore. This site has helped a lot by taking away the allure. I no longer have to look at a MPA's pic and wonder will she or won't she. Thanks to the brave reviewers here, all those smoke and mirrors are stripped away and I'm left reading about an experience that may be amazing for the OP, but is something I can easily get with no smoke and mirrors with an SP. Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking the MP scene for everyone. I'm just reflecting that I it's not for me anymore. Perhaps I'll give it another try, but perhaps not. One thing is for certain, I can't do with low mileage anymore. While an oily hand job can feel amazing and in the right hands (pun intended) feel as good or better than sex, there's just something psychologically satisfying about getting "everything" that a woman offers. Plus, there aren't many women who are that good, and I don't have the financial resources to find the gems anymore. And, if I go for "everything", well, it's cheaper with an SP no matter which way you slice it.

Maybe I've just outgrown it. Face it, there's a lot of drama on the MP side. Just look at some of the trolls here. You have to wonder how much pain and mental suffering someone must have gone through to dedicate every single post to a singular MPA and to accuse everyone of being her, or to sink so low into darkness to post personal pictures of MPAs. I truly believe that someone has to have some deep rooted mental health issues to sink to those levels. I don't hate those posters. I pity them. I see in them, what could have happened to me if just a few more things went wrong for me. Anyway, the SP side is not without it's drama too. I was a moderator once, and I've seen the other side of review forums. But, the drama was always centred around money and reputation. There wasn't as many messy feelings there.

Anyway, sorry for getting too maudlin in this post. i just wanted to reflect on a few things. Please feel free to share some of your reflections. If you troll post for try to start a flame war, be warned that I will add you to my ignore list and I likely won't respond cause I'm too lazy to deal with that kind of shit.

 

[xtc27]

...agree: u want everything=SP best & cheapest ....hell, BBBJ CIM=SP best option

...well reviewed SP seem like best bang for $$$, but so flaky! Sometimes don't answer & even YMMV on service offerings...

...u think SP=prix fixe menu? Think again...

...Some spas =incalls... wouldnt go to newly opened Dahlia or Luxe for sore back...

 

[LazyBoy]

...agree: u want everything=SP best & cheapest ....hell, BBBJ CIM=SP best option

...well reviewed SP seem like best bang for $$$, but so flaky! Sometimes don't answer & even YMMV on service offerings...

...u think SP=prix fixe menu? Think again...

...Some spas =incalls... wouldnt go to newly opened Dahlia or Luxe for sore back...

Have you gone yet? I know we talked about this in another thread. I'm still hmming and hawing. Not just cause I think the places look sketchy, but more because I can get a great k-girl experience closer and with an agency I've dealt with for years.

 

[xtc27]

...know allotta folks in neighbouhood... guess could say, "Oh, going to Tee Tree*, took the wrong door by accident..."....

* Tee Tree, next store legit RMT place for 25 yrs, somehow in the same plaza...

...funny thing, nxt 2 strip mall MPs= tattoo shops, psychics, &... WTF!!!..... churches... one stop shopping...

 

[topo112]

@LazyBoy some pretty wise words.

Guys seem to get in way too deep on the MP scene. I left a session with one of my favorites as the guy waiting for her in the lounge was glaring at me, with presents in hand. She popped out and did her "act", and it is pretty much the same act she has for me. No surprises there. He was happy. I was amused.

Too many guys think it is "special". It is all one big hustle and I respect that and enjoy it for what it is.

Perhaps he was 38 years old and had never kissed a girl. Just saying!

 

[LazyBoy]

I remember my first FS experience in a spa. It was at this place called Alternative Therapy. The place looked sketchy but I'd been curious about it for a while. I'd already had HE at AMPs and places like SRM, Allure and Utopia and didn't know that FS was really available. Yeah, I know right? I was damned naive. But, this was a super long time ago so...

Anyway, I finally worked up the courage to go in. I still remember the cute Chinese girl who greeted me. Her name was Monica. I asked what this place was and she called it a massage parlour. I asked what kind of massage and she said, a little flustered, that it was a massage parlour. Ok, I know I wasn't the brightest so lit it go. Anyway, I go in and get a decent back massage and then she asked what I wanted. I asked what was available and she does the whole nude, nude reverse thing and ends with everything. I asked, what's everything? Sheesh...upon doing this reflection, I see that I was a total noob back then. Again, she was a bit flustered and said everything. So, I opted for it. hahah...almost popped during bbbj after about 10s. The sex lasted maybe 5 seconds. I never did see her again after that but my regular became a girl named Sammy and I even saw this one girl named Evelyn once who was one of the hottest Chinese I'd ever seen but had a really bad attitude. I made sure to give her an extra hard pounding in doggy!

Ironically, couple doors down was a "white" spa run by a Chinese woman called Crystal Spa where I also got FS. I only saw one girl there and she gave a wicked bbbj and had an incredibly tight pussy. I can't remember the MPA's working name cause she and I got very friendly inside and outside the spa and I always thought of her with her real name. This was also the spa where I had a visit from a uniformed cop. The owner ran thru the spa knocking on doors yelling cops! My MPA threw a white lab coat on (I'd always wondered why they had them hanging on the door) and put a towel on me. The cop opened the door, looked in and left. The MPA told me that they only cared if the client and attendant were nude or not. Man, my heart rate would not go down after that and I thought I wouldn't be able to get it up again. But, as I mentioned, my girl gave a wicked bbbj and I was up and in her in no time flat.

 

[xtc27]

...man, b so addicted 2 spas if that=me...

 

[vankonet]

Sammy is still working. She is now called Junko

 

[LazyBoy]

Sammy is still working. She is now called Junko

Thanks. I probably won't want to see her again. This reflection was like 17 years ago.

 

[OG_funguy]

Nice post. Funny but my experience has been almost the reverse of you LOL.

Many many years ago, I used to favor the holistic / SP side of things. Back then, I could care less about the 'massage' and just wanted high mileage with nice looking women. However, as soon as the session was over, it was basically done. there were no lingering good side effects afterwards. And many times I would ask myself, was the experience really worth the money. I also don't like the "transactional" feeling of this type of experience.

Age has a funny effect on the body and these days, I actually do care about the massage part, which is how I got back into this hobby in the first place. Things started out innocently enough but progressed to the point where...well, let's just say the end result is probably not much different from what you're getting. Difference being I'm getting a really good massage too : )

Lots, maybe the majority, of guys on here "pay them to leave". I like the experience of getting to know them and I'm mostly talking about ladies at semi-legits where the mileage is much lower (in general). Also, I'm not talking about every lady I meet. In the last few years, I've probably met over 50 MPAs but to this day, there are probably just 3-4 that I felt were worth the time to get close with. And yes, you really can have your cake and eat it too...

Bottom line: as long as you don't get in too deep (and you know my history here) and treat this hobby for what it is, then go with what works best for you. Everyone has their preferences, there's no right or wrong.

 

[Hangdai]

And yes, you really can have your cake and eat it too...

 

[OG_funguy]

Haha, maybe...maybe not. But what I do know for certain is it's a small cake and there's only a few slices going around. Regardless, I'm not greedy and can only eat so much.

 

[hangul99]

I remember my first FS experience in a spa. It was at this place called Alternative Therapy. The place looked sketchy but I'd been curious about it for a while. I'd already had HE at AMPs and places like SRM, Allure and Utopia and didn't know that FS was really available. Yeah, I know right? I was damned naive. But, this was a super long time ago so...

Anyway, I finally worked up the courage to go in. I still remember the cute Chinese girl who greeted me. Her name was Monica. I asked what this place was and she called it a massage parlour. I asked what kind of massage and she said, a little flustered, that it was a massage parlour. Ok, I know I wasn't the brightest so lit it go. Anyway, I go in and get a decent back massage and then she asked what I wanted. I asked what was available and she does the whole nude, nude reverse thing and ends with everything. I asked, what's everything? Sheesh...upon doing this reflection, I see that I was a total noob back then. Again, she was a bit flustered and said everything. So, I opted for it. hahah...almost popped during bbbj after about 10s. The sex lasted maybe 5 seconds. I never did see her again after that but my regular became a girl named Sammy and I even saw this one girl named Evelyn once who was one of the hottest Chinese I'd ever seen but had a really bad attitude. I made sure to give her an extra hard pounding in doggy!

Ironically, couple doors down was a "white" spa run by a Chinese woman called Crystal Spa where I also got FS. I only saw one girl there and she gave a wicked bbbj and had an incredibly tight pussy. I can't remember the MPA's working name cause she and I got very friendly inside and outside the spa and I always thought of her with her real name. This was also the spa where I had a visit from a uniformed cop. The owner ran thru the spa knocking on doors yelling cops! My MPA threw a white lab coat on (I'd always wondered why they had them hanging on the door) and put a towel on me. The cop opened the door, looked in and left. The MPA told me that they only cared if the client and attendant were nude or not. Man, my heart rate would not go down after that and I thought I wouldn't be able to get it up again. But, as I mentioned, my girl gave a wicked bbbj and I was up and in her in no time flat.

Was Alternative in Markham. Off 16th Ave?

 

[vankonet]

Was Alternative in Markham. Off 16th Ave?

Yes In a small plaza corner of 16TH and Lockeridge

 

[hangul99]

Yes In a small plaza corner of 16TH and Lockeridge

Lol! I have great memories of Sammi and Helen at this place. Thats going way back.

 

[vankonet]

Lol! I have great memories of Sammi and Helen at this place. Thats going way back.

has anyone seen sammie/Junko recently. I would love to read a review.

 

[hangul99]

has anyone seen sammie/Junko recently. I would love to read a review.

I didnt know they were the same person. There are some reviews on Terb but nothing recent. I think she was advertising on Red Zone awhile back. Not sure if she still advertises. If she's still working I'll give her a shot.

 

[LazyBoy]

I didnt know they were the same person. There are some reviews on Terb but nothing recent. I think she was advertising on Red Zone awhile back. Not sure if she still advertises. If she's still working I'll give her a shot.

I didn't know she was still working. 17 years is a long time to be in this biz. I'd often thought of her with fond memories and hoped she had gotten out.

 

[imthedude]

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Good post, @LazyBoy. There was a time when it could be said that MPs offered something different because of bodyslides and teasing which seems to have passed. Some posters here made the argument that it's the 'chase' that they love, which is obviously bullshit because they never repeated with girls who didn't give them the mileage they wanted, and at this point, there is no mystery and that seems to be the way everyone likes it. FWIW, I really enjoyed going to Perla and Pure because it felt like a treat. I'd say an incall SP is better value than any spa, though, as there isn't haggling or drama and if you choose the right agency/indie, you end up in a fairly posh hotel or condo with a comfortable bed and maybe even a big shower for the two of you to play in. And the enthusiasm levels (or quality of acting, whatever) tend to be higher. Everything in moderation I guess...except moderation.

 

[OG_funguy]

Some posters here made the argument that it's the 'chase' that they love, which is obviously bullshit because they never repeated with girls who didn't give them the mileage they wanted...

I'd say an incall SP is better value than any spa, though, as there isn't haggling or drama and if you choose the right agency/indie, you end up in a fairly posh hotel or condo with a comfortable bed and maybe even a big shower for the two of you to play in.

It's not necessarily the 'chase' but walking into the unknown and sometimes that anticipation of what 'might' happen can be very erotic. For example, if you book an SP, you pretty much know what you're getting. But when you walk into a MP for the first time, you never know for sure. It could range from just a simple hj to much more and as long as you're fine to accept either outcome, then it's a non-issue. Also, it's not true that guys don't repeat with girls that don't give them the mileage they were seeking. Many of the MPAs I repeated with were 'low mileage' initially but there were other reasons that brought me back, ranging from massage quality, value for money, physical looks, potential for more, etc.

Finally, there isn't always haggling/drama at MP's. In fact, I would say more often than not, there is no haggling at all (based on my experience) but of course it does come up every now and then. I tend to stay away from the ladies that like to haggle over price...