Dowagers Hump? Help!

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Hello!
I need to pick the brains of all you genius therapists out there. I have a client with what appears to be a Dowagers hump. He is unable to lay flat without experiencing nausea He gets an immediate headache if he has a pillow in the wrong position under his neck. He also experiences lower back pain when laying flat on a hard surface or leaning back in a recliner chair (some of the discomfort in this instance may be be the sudden effort required to fling the chairback back). Generally working anything from C7 up causes discomfort. I am wondering if this will cause some type of disability later in his life. Any help you all can offer would be great! I have pics but can't post them yet. I could e-mail or post them as soon as I meet the required number of posts which should be soon!
Thanks!
 


how old is he, this is already a disability! Work on the anterior aspect of the neck...
 


Yeah, anterior neck, shoulders, chest, all of the usual for forward head position. But if he is having nausea and "instant headache" he needs to be evaluated by a medical professional. If everything checks out "normal," then a combination of chiropractic and massage would probably be more progressive than massage alone.

Also, what is his hip posture like?
 
Dowagers hump...

He is 42, not very interested in self-care, unfortunately. He generally doesn't "like" anterior neck work, even though it's what he needs. He won't really allow me work that area.

I am still a newbie therapist. Breathe, help me with the hip posture, if you will. How do I evaluate that? Check to see if the ASIS's (?) are level? And?? Can I send you the photo link, would it help?

I know he needs to do a lot of self care such as stretching and walking and such, but he seems content with the path he's on. :(
 
Dowagers hump

I think I finally reached 10 posts, so I am going to post the link to the pic.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w42/dawnrayebay/DSC04569.jpg
I tried to put the pic here directly but it's huge and I can't seem to resize it!
 


Doesn't matter if he's "not interested" in self-care or not. Ethically, you need to stand firm on what you feel is in his best interest. Tell him his current path is a downward spiral leading to severe disability and constant pain if he continues to ignore it and doesn't obtain the kind of care he needs. This includes anterior work.

Further, I feel that photo shows a somewhat severe-looking neck situation. Refer him to a medical pro for evaluation and probable treatment. If he refuses, you may need to refuse service until he returns with a diagnosis and treatment plan. I have done so myself, and will do so again if necessary.

Last, if you feel this guy's situation is simply over your head or that he simply won't listen to reason, refer him to another therapist that you feel could better serve him. I have done so, and never once regretted it.

Good luck!
 


Is he there for therapeutic work, or is he looking for relaxation only? The client's agenda is the one that counts for most. You can possibly convince him that real work can be done and real progress can be made if he participates, but if he doesn't *want* the progress, just to feel good for an hour, you may as well just relax and help him relax. As he feels more trusting of you, he will be more trusting of your judgment and you can talk about that again. If he wants his neck to feel better but won't participate, there isn't much you can do to even give him a "feel good" hour because he won't be satisfied with anything.
 


Hi dawnray, from the looks of that photo, I think he has some really tight shoulder and pectoralis muscles. As others have mentioned he must have a pretty significant forward head posture?
Maybe you can ease into the anterior neck work by first addressing those shoulders while he is in a supine position. Most of my clients are so surprised by the tenderness that they are feeling in their anterior chest and shoulders that they decide that they WANT anterior neck work. At times I can ease on up into that area without any discussion, it just seems like a natural progression of the massage to the client.
If not, sometimes you are able to release neck muscles with some gentle MFR and stretches for the neck and upper back/chest.
I wish you luck, it is tough when the client doesn't have the same goals as you do.
 
Dowagers hump...

dawnray said:
He is 42, not very interested in self-care, unfortunately. He generally doesn't "like" anterior neck work, even though it's what he needs. He won't really allow me work that area.

I am still a newbie therapist. Breathe, help me with the hip posture, if you will. How do I evaluate that? Check to see if the ASIS's (?) are level? And?? Can I send you the photo link, would it help?

I know he needs to do a lot of self care such as stretching and walking and such, but he seems content with the path he's on. :(

If the client isn't interested in following up with self-care, there's probably not much you can do for a forward head posture. But if he WERE interested in improving posture, (through stretching, strengthening,) you would start with a visual and ROM assessment, looking for anterior tilt (or less commonly, posterior,) high ilium, one leg forward, one or both knees locked. Test ROM when on the table, psoas (hip extension), internal/external rotation of hip, flexion of knee, etc.

To check if the ilium are level, make sure they are lying straight on the table, head in neutral, no bolster, then close your eyes and palpate to the PSIS. Keep your finger on the landmarks on either side, then open your eyes and look. If on one side your finger is higher, voila! look for an imbalance - tight muscles on one side of the back, pulling the ilium up.

You can do the same thing in supine with the ASIS, but that is a little more complicated to know what to do for low ASIS. You can check Whitney Lowe's work for some interesting discussions on innominate rotation, and lateral tilt.

In forward head posture, you really can't get a lasting change in posture if you don't balance the rest of the body. Pelvic imbalances affect tensions on the spine. (short leg can also affect head posture, but you need to eliminate restrictions in the pelvis before you can get a good estimate at possible leg length discrepancy issues.)

After that work, you can then look at the muscles that pull the head forward, and others that have to tilt it back up once it's pulled forward. It's not relaxation work. You do need to get deep into the anterior neck, and although it doesn't have to hurt, it's not the type of work you would do in a relaxation setting.

Erik Dalton and James Waslaski* have some great protocols for dealing with forward head posture (upper crossed syndrome) and pelvic balance.

You say you're a newbie therapist. Don't be afraid to work on people with complicated conditions, but if you're going to do cervical work, make sure you're doing all necessary tests (I learned about that this weekend- and I have to say I have NOT been doing the necessary tests - alar ligament, VBA insufficiency and cervical compression/distraction- so glad I haven't yet had any issues. *gulp*) Be conscious of learning about what you want to try and be aware of the science behind treatment work-- primarily, is what you are doing creating balance, or contributing to imbalance? (Primary example of that is doing deep tissue to loosen up the rhomboids for thoracic pain. WHY would a therapist do that? Who in here has ever seen a shortened rhomboid? Yes, the rhomboids need work, but don't be lengthening an overstretched muscle and expect long lasting benefits.)

But...
The client must have a desire to change their postural habits and their self-care, otherwise, why waste your efforts? Use the situation for what it's worth... a real life example that you can use as a learning tool to become a better therapist. But do not expect change from a client who is not looking for it. You will only be disappointed.

You can educate your client though:

"I'd like to show you something Mr. Forward Head. Massage therapy can do more than just take your stress down, it can increase your comfort in your body, and we might be able to change some of those headache issues (after we and your doctor have ruled out any serious conditions.) We can do that by lengthening these muscles so that your lower back has more room, your upper back is less curved and your neck muscles don't have to work so hard to keep your head up and stable.

Let me show you in this book which muscles I am concerned about: (show nice big pictures.) If you want to try these techniques in your next session it requires a commitment, because to keep any gains we make, you will have to do some stretching for a few minutes every day at home, and later on, some specific strengthening. Do you think you might want to try something like that?"

Your dialogue may vary, but treatment work is a collaborative process. If your people are coming in, getting on the table, pointing and saying "fix me," then lying quietly or chatting for an hour while you rub them, it is palliative work. Palliative work has tremendous health benefits, but it has a lesser effect on structural issues.



* I'm familiar with the work of these three educators, having taken workshops with them or studied their published works. There are many fine educators out there doing and teaching structural bodywork, so others might prefer the work of another teacher.
 


AH, wonderful helps! I appreciate everyones input. I wish that I could transplant everyones know-how right into my brain!

Breathe, you gave me lots of info to assimilate and I truly appreciate that! And as far as self care- he needs to strengthen his back muscles, correct? Say with some Pilates back extensions and such? And babalnce that with stretches for the front...

I will re-post if he decides to consider taking this seriously. I may be crazy, but it seems like a wonderful challenge to me. Yeah. I'm nuts.
 


Strong back muscles are important to posture, but they are the LAST piece of the puzzle. If he doesn't have length in the muscles that are currently tight, he cannot effectively strengthen the overstretched muscles.

First: restore flexibility. When the person has restored range of motion, then restore (or build) strength and stability.

Your primary goal in upper and lower crossed syndrome is to lengthen psoas/iliacus, quads, lateral rotators of the hips, then chest and anterior neck muscles, suboccipitals. THEN, strengthen hamstrings, lower back, rhomboids.

Pilates is a wonderful addition to structural bodywork. Just make sure he is not stretching the muscles that are already over stretched.
 


Nice summary, and it matches up with everything I've been studying, too! Good to see such fine advice. :)
 


Sorry to divert a little but...

Breathe, I've been a keen follower of Erik Dalton. I had never heard of James Waslaski' until your post. Just took a look at his website and liked what I saw. I can't attend his courses I'm afraid because I'm based in London, but have you seen his dvds and if yes, would you recommend them?

Happy Xmas BTW

Henry
 
Dowagers Hump? Help!

This individual has a forwardly pulled neck due to SCM hypertension, most likely he is rolling his shoulders forward, his SCM has develoded a trigger point or several, aggravated by the stretch of putting his head down on the table. He must have anterior work. Roll the SCM between your fingers, torque it by grasping it right above the connection on the clavicle. He needs heat and stretching. Roll his shoulders back. Work on loosening his pectoralis minor and get his arm in the "chicken wing" behind his back, grasp under the edge of his scapula and pull up, this will stretch his subscapularis tendon.
 


happyfingers said:
Sorry to divert a little but...

Breathe, I've been a keen follower of Erik Dalton. I had never heard of James Waslaski' until your post. Just took a look at his website and liked what I saw. I can't attend his courses I'm afraid because I'm based in London, but have you seen his dvds and if yes, would you recommend them?

Happy Xmas BTW

Henry

Erik Dalton and James Waslaski are constantly sharing info with each other and incorporating each other's work into their own. I just spent 5 days studying with Waslaski and he was all praises for Dalton, frequently pointing out different concepts or methods that he had learned from Dalton. His videos are good, too. You will find their work very compatible with one another.
 
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    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sofia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass.
  28. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ LUCY, ASHA, NISHA, AMANDA, MAY, SARIKA, KIRAN, SANA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  29. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ AAVI, SANA, KIRAN, NINA, ASHA, ANAYA, NISHA, ANGEL ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  30. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality who Wa
  31. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Rita๐ŸฅฐA brand new girl from Taiwan just arrived, a young sexy beauty with smooth white skin, natural 32C breasts with big juicy nipples and fantastic tight little bum bum waiting to be kissed and spanked! An enthusiastic pleaser by her ow
  32. KSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐Š ๐’๐๐€: ANA, KELLY, SUKI & CINDY. Unit B6-4227 Sheppard Ave East Scarborough, ON (Just East of Midland Ave) โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฎ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ ANA is a pretty lady standing 5โ€™4โ€ & weighing 115 Lbs, with 36C melons and a very sexy body. KELLY stands 5โ€™3โ€ & weighs 110 Lbs, with nice 34D pillows to comfort you. SUKI is 23, 5โ€™2โ€ & 100 Lbs, 34C with a slim & sweet sexy body.
  33. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: LULU, TIFFANY & TIRA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LULU is also new today. Details later... TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim waist, & a cute little booty. Tiffany has incredible bbbj skills, tastes as sweet as honey, and can drive you wild. TIRA(* NEW TODAY) is Japanese
  34. SunriseRH:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: SUMMER & YOYO. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ SUMMER is an incredibly sweet Asian babe, 5โ€™3โ€ with a captivating 36D-28-39 figure, weighing 108 pounds. Summer has very good massage & services. YOYO is a young Chinese girl, beautiful & petite to satisfy your desires. She is slim with natural breasts, and fantastic services.
  35. NewOriental:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY & VIVIAN. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. VIVIAN is a pretty & very sexy Chinese doll, standing 5โ€™7โ€ tall, with a slim figure. Vivian is very friendly and versatile.
  36. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Zoe ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  37. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julie ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  38. ASPA:
    ๐—ช๐—˜๐——๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Amy, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  39. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธCindy, Kelly & Kiki. Cindy is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Kelly is slim and attractive with very slight curves, all natural coconuts, a nice bum, and rockinโ€™ services.
  40. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl makin
  41. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  42. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young sweet student Mia 25 years old and young GFE Angela, pretty nice Lina with 36 DD and sex Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in aways welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  43. Dreaminn:
    WEDNESDAY at๐Ÿ’ญ๐——๐—ฅ๐—˜๐—”๐—  ๐—œ๐—ก๐—ก ๐—ช๐—˜๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ฆ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’ญ: ANGELA, SOPHIA & TINA. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ โ˜Ž๏ธ ANGELA is a slim pretty lady from China, with natural boobs, slim waist and grabbable ass. SOPHIA is a young & beautiful 21 year old Vietnamese lady, slim with a nice booty, who has the services you need. TINA is a Vietnamese girl
  44. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Young Part Time Chinese Emma, Slim Thai Janice, Young Sexy CBC Rachel. Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  45. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ table shower body scrub ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘We have 3 beautiful young girls working today, young and lovely New girl Suki and cici Specialising in table shower body scrub massages and offering deep massages Helen ๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke.Please call โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366 to book and Walk in the back door there is plenty of parking available
  46. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MALIYA, NISHA, AMANDA, ANGEL, PAYAL PEARL, AAVI, ANAYA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  47. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  48. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Young Part Time Chinese Emma, Slim Thai Janice, Young Sexy CBC Rachel. Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  49. Flowers Spa:
    โœฐ BlueXado Spa โœฐ 416 357 9797 โœฐ1102 Centre St, Unit #6, Thornhill Vaughan ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH | LINDA a 21-year-old Vietnamese Malaysian, offers comfortable and professional full-body treatments ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต TRACY (New) 22-year-old, petite Japanese, young & pretty face...Satisfy All Needs...After 9PM ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ HANNA Vietnamese good, energetic medium body; also does lighter treatments with emphasis on service โœฐ BlueXado Spa โœฐ 416 357 9797 โœฐ1102 Centre St, Unit #6, Thornhill Vaughan โœฐ
  50. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699We have 5 young girls for your enjoyment Tuesday : :heart4:heart4 New girl lisa :heart4 Judy - well proportioned model to bring toe curling fun Rina - petite beauty ready to rock your world Lucy- tall leggy beauty with nice figure Barbie -...
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