Client/therapist relationship???



Handsonlmt describes a scenario which I have yet to experience in my 7 years as a massage therapist: the client that instantly relaxes and accepts my skillful bodywork because they can somehow sense from my touch that they can trust my care, compassion, empathy, and non-judgement. Oh, if it were only that easy!!

Friendship and the client-practitioner relationship are certainly not mutually exclusive. I am talking about friendship within the treatment and office...Many (most) people do not blindly trust a therapist no matter how impeccably professional they present themselves and their treatment space. Many people, myself included can relax and accept and get something out of a massage treatment only when feeling a rapport, common ground with the person that has their hands on them. Sometimes this takes many sessions to feel at ease with a therapist. It often includes a give and take of conversation perhaps including what some people would call "personal" information. Many clients relax while chatting. Even more can only relax after they have talked about that which has been annoying them about their husband/wife/teenager/boss all week--and they are not about to share that information with you unless they know you've been there.

I agree that a massage therapy session is the client's session. But it has been my experience that many clients don't want a session as described by McIntosh and Handsonlmt.

Somewhat reiterating what Stacey said, an ethical framework is exceedingly important, but making a conscious decision about what that is for you and your clients is even more so.

Noel
 


seekingequanimity said:
Friendship and the client-practitioner relationship are certainly not mutually exclusive. I am talking about friendship within the treatment and office.

I think it's important to distinguish between "being friendly" and "friendship". In my opinion, being personable & caring to clients -- asking about families, sharing a little about yourself, all fall in the "friendly" category. Seeing clients outside of work falls into the "friend" category. That second category is where problems can develop, simply because dual relationships pose definite challenges. I think that's what Handsonlmt was talking about.
 


I think it's important to distinguish between "being friendly" and "friendship". In my opinion, being personable & caring to clients -- asking about families, sharing a little about yourself, all fall in the "friendly" category. Seeing clients outside of work falls into the "friend" category. That second category is where problems can develop, simply because dual relationships pose definite challenges. I think that's what Handsonlmt was talking about.

Thank you Bliss. Your understanding of my post is correct and you have gone one step further and refined it to its essence.

I agree that a massage therapy session is the client's session. But it has been my experience that many clients don't want a session as described by McIntosh and Handsonlmt.

Seekingequanimity, I am not sure what you are trying to say in this statement. What type of session are you referring too?
As far as experiences go, and from what I have seen posted so far, the interaction between the MT and client is pretty standard. A friendly exchange and then we get down to business. Many of our clients share very personal information during a session, but that is not the basis for a friendship outside of the office setting. That has been my point all along- Sharing one hour of intimacy does not translate into a friendship. In my MT mode, that would be a selfish assumption on my part.
 


Handsonlmt, you stated pretty unequivically (in bold typing) in your post that there is no place for friendship in the office. I disagree. But, apparently we also have different definitions of what a friendship is. So, perhaps we aren't so far apart on this issue?

I don't agree that a friendship does not exist if there is no contact outside of the office. I am "friendly" with all my clients. And then there are other clients where there is a connection; and it is warmer and more than just friendly. ( and hard to describe) In paraphrasing one of the points you are trying to make: is that we, as therapists should not be using our clients as an outlet for friendship, or putting any friendship-type responsibilities onto our clients. --this I whole-heartedly agree.

I thought I described pretty well that my experience has been that many clients need to feel that connection and friendship to be able to unwind and relax and receive massage. That is the type of session I was referring to. I hope you did not feel that I was disparaging your approach to treatment sessions, and I apologize if it came across like that.

Noel
 


I thought I described pretty well that my experience has been that many clients need to feel that connection and friendship to be able to unwind and relax and receive massage. That is the type of session I was referring to. I hope you did not feel that I was disparaging your approach to treatment sessions, and I apologize if it came across like that.

Noel

I believe the connection "type of session" you share with your clients is the "standard" in the business of Massage Therapy. In other words, yours is not a unique experience. Please understand, this is not a slight but the nature of our business.
However, I believe that it is important that we read the intitial post again-carefully. This woman has put a great deal of importance on what her MT says and does. That is a huge responsibilty. It is definately one that can be exploited by the MT or the client. She mentions that he offers her advise and guidance. She respects his opinion and has great trust for him. She is human and has a habit of becoming attached. What does that mean? Will she stalk him, call him late at night when she is feeling needy or in need of his advice? She assures us that "nothing romatic" is involved just "pure friendship". Next couple of posts she suggests that the things she shares with him are very deep and different from those he may be hearing from his "other clients". A connection much deeper then a friendship has crossed her mind. We all know and understand it as transference. The therapeutic relationship is not a friendship. It is a delicate balance of trust, compassion and care between the client and the MT. Care is required or as our poster has suggested, you can end up on a pedestal and it really hurts when you hit the ground
 
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    WEDNESDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY & VIVIAN. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. VIVIAN is a pretty & very sexy Chinese doll, standing 5โ€™7โ€ tall, with a slim figure. Vivian is very friendly and versatile.
  32. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality who Wa
  33. ASPA:
    ๐—ช๐—˜๐——๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Amy, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  34. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Jasmine ๐Ÿ’•An exotic new young girl from Iran has arrived to Annie Spa! With big brown eyes, thick pouty lips and golden hair, Jasmine is a breath of fresh air and alluring beauty. You will be captivated by her striking facial features, he
  35. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธCindy, Kelly & Kiki. Cindy is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Kelly is slim and attractive with very slight curves, all natural coconuts, a nice bum, and rockinโ€™ services.
  36. Pink Flower Spa:
    โœฐ 416.299.5515 โœฐ 3300 McNicoll Ave, Unit #A8 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ Lacey (New) from HUแบพ Vietnam tall, beautiful & shapely, white skin ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ Sonia | Aniy from India is young & curvy, very pretty, lightly toned ๐Ÿ‡ฑ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ฑ๐Ÿ‡ง A talented Arabian Girl from Lebanon is joining our team bringing with her a unique set of skills and a fresh perspective ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ Mandy | Mady (New) Indian | Filipino 19Yrs, hair to shoulder, pretty face โœฐ PINK FLOWER SPA โœฐ 416.299.5515 โœฐ 3300 McNicoll Ave, Unit #A8 โœฐ
  37. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Zoe ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  38. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anika ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  39. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  40. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Young Sexy Slim Chinese Emma, Young Slim Thai Janice, Young Sexy CBC Rachel. Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  41. Dreaminn:
    WEDNESDAY at๐Ÿ’ญ๐——๐—ฅ๐—˜๐—”๐—  ๐—œ๐—ก๐—ก ๐—ช๐—˜๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ฆ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’ญ: EVA, SOPHIA & TINA. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ โ˜Ž๏ธ EVA is a slim, pretty & sexy Asian girl. She has excellent bbbj skills if you are nice and clean, and can perform like a champion. SOPHIA is a young & beautiful 21 year old Vietnamese lady, slim with a nice booty, who has the services you need.
  42. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ HANA, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  43. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ table shower body scrub ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘We have 3 beautiful young girls working today, young and lovely big boobs new girl Suki๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œand CiciSpecialising in table shower body scrub massages and offering deep massages Helen ๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke.Please call โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366 to book and Walk in the back door there is plenty of parking available
  44. tequiloco:
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  45. Flowers Spa:
    โœฐ BLUEXADO SPA โœฐ 416.357.9797 โœฐ 1102 Centre St, Unit #6, Thornhill Vaughan ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ Mimi | Candy (New) 19Yrs Vietnamese beautiful face, very friendly...Must See...๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ญ Monica (New) Colombian | Thailand, beautiful & shapely...Excellent Service...After 9PM ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ Selena (New) Vietnamese just 19Yrs, young & curvy, pretty...Full Menu... โœฐ BLUEXADO SPA โœฐ 416.357.9797 โœฐ
  46. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699We have 5 young girls for your enjoyment Tuesday : :heart4:heart4 New girl lisa :heart4 Mika- well proportioned model to bring toe curling fun apple- petite beauty ready to rock your world Lucy- tall leggy beauty with nice figure Barbie -...
  47. Moon203:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 young college student (Laura)&lily (back) in tonight later time
  48. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ SANA, BELLA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  49. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MALIYA, MONIKA, NISHA, AMANDA, AAVI, MAY, SANA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  50. Golden Flower Spa:
    โœฐ 905.258.0777 โœฐ 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit #C6 Markham ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ Anna (New) from Hร€Nแป˜I Vietnam beautiful, white skin, big booty ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณLacey (New) from HUแบพ Vietnam tall, beautiful & shapely ๐Ÿ‡ฑ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ฑ๐Ÿ‡ง A talented Arabian Girl from Lebanon is joining our team...After 9PM ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ Sonia | Aniy from India is young & curvy, very pretty, lightly toned ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณLinda | My Linh (New) 21Yrs, a full body Malaysian Vietnamese โœฐ GOLDEN FLOWER SPA โœฐ 905.258.0777 โœฐ
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