160 is the NEW 200!

[Jenx D]

great writeup of the standard script, but I don't think it's that black and white.. my ATFs deviate liberally from the script, and despite the volume of customers they see, seem to remember everything little button that gets me going... how they do that I do not know.. it's like walking into a restaurant and the maitre'd knows you by name and hooks you up with your favorite table, extra strong drinks, and double-sized desserts. when money is tight, gfe-level service will not only get me to return, but also return sooner than I may normally have otherwise..

 

[Cristine joyce Cruz]

TB - I think what Laidlow was trying to say is that expecting an hour GFE service in your standard FS K-AMP and paying the "discount" price is basically expecting a defiance of the laws of Newtonian physics. I've been AMP'ing on and off for over last 20 yrs. Absent taking out $500 or the gal being TOTALLY mad for you, these k-gals NEVER vary from the script. You have a better chance for true GFE at a Korean R&T as the gals do not normally see themselves as providers.

The "hour" at a FS K-AMP is this every time:

First 5-10 minutes:

1. Mamasan or the next girl in rotation answers the door and brings you to the room, collects house fee and tip and then disappears for 2-3 minutes;

Second 10-15 minutes:

2. gal brings you to TS or bathroom for a wash down (amount of flirting varies) and back to the room to dry you off and give you "a massage," (though she may disappear again before the "massage," usually to wash up and/or have a smoke or a line and get the condom)

3. butterfly finger thing and/or blowing in your ear, rubbing her nips on your back and other light techniques to get you hard for "the flip"

Third 10-15 minutes:

Post flip, she sucks your nipples and slowly works her head down to your wood. Once down there, she grabs it for a little stroking before doing the mouth in condom and apply to dick thing. The "GFE" ones may lick your balls and/or shaft before the 1-2 min. CBJ; climbs on board for cowgirl for 5 minutes; if you didn't come yet and she's tired, a little mish for 5-10 minutes;

Final 10-15:

Pissed that you haven't cum yet, she moves to doggie; she then turns up the dirty talk and/or moans and whispers, "come baby" or something similar. If STILL no cum in 5 minutes, she has you on your back and oils you up for a HJ.
You cum, "I get hot towel" and she comes back for the wipe down and the corny "let me get you dressed" routine

Still, not an hour.

The bottom line is that the FS K-girls ideally want to make $1000 a day. If you factor in the slow and busy times for an AMP, as well as the rotation thing among the gals, they figure that it's better to move on to another guy rather than try to get an extra 20-40 from a guy by giving any GFE-style of service.

 

[Extermation]

Well she has dropped her price to 200/h. I guess she must have been real busy at the previous rate. I guess I will have to check her out now.

 

[?Fairy Princess?]

Tastebud,

Thanks for the reply.

I guess my question popped into my head because of your response that the low price seemed to have resulted in "lesser service". In my personal opinion it really depends on what one is looking for. If you're pinching dollars which a lot of people are doing these days the difference in service is perhaps justifiable, considering that you'd be saving 40 bucks. So for those who are trying to spend less there are probably those who don't care too much about a little bit of extra time at the end of the session....

It would have been different if every session would have included two pops (guaranteed) as long as there was time - meaning a shorted session meant one pop instead of two.....

...

 

[Dana1981]

I didn't say you didn't get an hour, I said it didn't sound like one, and you did not claim it was one in your post so it was hard to tell for sure.

My comments were not retorts, they were my observations. I am not trying to argue with you either, I am simply pointing out what I have seen posted and what I have experienced mongering.

This is not personal and I am sorry I caused you to get upset.

I bet my ("pointless opinions") experiences square fairly well with other mongers.

I won't escalate the conflict any further... maybe you are just pissed off because you didn't get your balls properly drained. If you are backed up maybe you should head over to Eden's.

Peace,
TB

P.S. LL7 if you wish to say anything to me further you are welcome to PM, let's spare our mongers the silly static. Thx.

 

[John 117]

Where's Howard Stern when you need him.
Hey guys..who stays for only the hour these days?

xoxo

 

[lover]

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you realize that you're suggesting that I don't know how to tell time?

As far as your retorts are concerned, they’re overly opinionated and pointless. You weren’t there; end of story.

 

[Susanne W]

E4A is simple...our rate gets you the hour...if you want 1, 2 or 3 pops, just tip the girl accordingly...no more house fee...

If I hear that guys are taking advantage then.....

I liken it to you are renting space an hour at a time, whether you talk, play cards or sing Frank Sinatra songs (or multiple songs) it is all the same to me...

my .02

-Eden

Maybe this will start a trend...

 

[frire]

I did not imply the first thread was created by you... but there is another thread dedicated to reviews for VC. Poor sentence construction on my part.
Apologies.



I have gotten two pops if I had a pre-mature explosion because I was too heated, e.g. early into BJ or making out. Girls usually laughed and I was golden. If I could go the distance and I was still hungry, I would see if the girl was up for another round and usually they quoted a benji for another round but these days I bet they are willing to work with you but I don't want to haggle.

Independents are famous for giving unlimited service for 250 or 300 bills on the low end of the cost spectrum- that sounds like a nice way to go if that is what you are looking for. I think the pussy is marginally better but at those prices you know pops will be unlimited, DFK will be available, and the experience is going to be GFE without question.


A "full hour" is not unlimited pops usually but it is a long relaxed session and you are not rushed out the door and it usually does take the full 60 minutes if not more.

As it is these girls are bargains. Girls fluent in English with equal looks fetch at least 4 benji's or more.

The men with means aren't posting reviews here or on any review site. Fancy girls usually discourage it and all letters are posted on their private webpages so they can remove things that are too graphic.

I think the best thing to do is mention you are interested in unlimited pops once you get there and see if you can get a quote up front and don't haggle to ruin the mood. If you can't handle the unlimited price just say, "a nice hour with you is fine with me baby."

 

[Squirsh]

If this discussion is another thread for V.C. by Golem -then where is my first thread??
As far as the crew @E4A they know the deal, that is my home base!

 

[ranting_woman]

Tastebud (or others),

I haven't been to a place like the ones you're talking about in this thread. I've been to "other" incalls and massage parlors where ymvv etc.

I thought that the standard at these places was that you paid for an hour, and got one pop only for that money, regardless if you have time left. You're talking about Eden below giving a "real full hour" at 160 - does that include more than one pop?

The reason I'm asking is that I wouldn't mind going to these joints if I knew I got two (or more) per hour....

Thanks,

Q

 

[Misa Bella]

LaidLaw,

It does not sound like you got an hour out of them and by going cheap you probably got more of a scripted experience.

That is why I learned not to shop for bargains. I found in the end it was worth doing one's home work and dropping an extra $40 or even $100 to have a great experience not one that is mediocre at best or simply sub par.

If I want to simply get my pipes cleaned I will stream a porno and do it myself if I want to be with a hot woman I find one and pay the price. Until all of the spots start competing on price I think my philosophy is probably the most cost effective in the end.

How many times have you had a lame experience and a day or two later, if not an hour later felt the need to finally put up the money and see someone you know won't leave you with regrets?



From the sounds of it the only K-spot that is advertising 160H FS is VC and it seems that they are jerking dudes by not really providing the full hour. It sounds like they are charging 160 for the pop, that is a deal you can get anywhere in town.

Maybe they are treating you special G. But so far, I am not seeing reviews where guys are getting the full hour once they make an actual visit regardless of what they are told on the phone prior.

Eden seems to be the only spot providing a real full hour for 160, and they only provide that on the weekend.

The thread title is misleading. It should be "another thread for VC by Golem"
This is more a wish than a reality for what I can tell.

Peace,
TB

 

[click66441]

Made a visit about a month ago, and was quoted the price Golem previously mentioned: $160/hr. However, I am not overly enthusiastic about KMPs because of their homogeneous, “scripted,” unimaginative service: donation, ts, light massage, the "flip," cbj, rcg, doggie, (maybe DATY) mish, I pop, and the hostess cleans you up. One reason I venture out to a KMP occasionally is becasue the business girls are so damn beautiful.

So, against my better judgement, and seeing the very agreeable service rate VC offered on CL, I made an appointment. My hostess for the afternoon was the lovely, 30-something, Bebe. Of course, she followed the "script" to the letter, with the additional moaning routine, half feigning pain ("you too big") and holding tighter when it was time to climax. After the "cleanup" we did the little chit-chat thing , then mamasan give me the unlisted digits and I split.

Not sure I would repeat because I have a preference for gfe service. However, if I do ever decide to go to another KMP, I would try VC again.

 

[Devon]

..posts some crap up on the board and the rest of us are supposed to believe it? First of all, this is about Manhattan, the only REALLY worthwhile place to hangout! V.C. is fairly new and as I posted before they have never had a 160 hh rate.
Read the title of the thread again :160 is the NEW 200!
We all know that 160 is a variable number that has been around since the invention of money and we all know C-town spots are cheap- in fact cheaper than 160- but this is a K-spot and anyway that is not the point.

 

[VisualEcho]

It would seem there are conflicting reports regarding VC. St. Brooklyn reported getting the HH for 160 even after they said that over the phone.

http://www.massageplanet.com/forum/showpost.php?p=697296&postcount=23


As mentioned before C-town FS spots have always had prices under 200, but the spaces and the girls are not very nice. Brooklyn and Queens have always had 160 spots also.

None of this is news fellas.

Will seems to be the one guy offering a genioune special on weekends only. Otherwise, VC seems to be YMMV about the 160h and is not providing that to everyone even as they are promising this to them over the phone. Caveat Emptor.

It would be nice if they all dropped their prices but it probably won't be widespread until Manhattan rents drop significantly with lease renewals.

 

[Big John Horton]

It started with V.C. now its at least 4 other places that I have seen that were formerly 200 joints. Open up your eyes fellas , this just started happening a few months ago. Long Live Laidlaw!

 

[snuggameat]

I have been to 4 different Philly AMPs / KMPs in recent months ... $160 is FS 1pop rate ... typically 45-60 minutes, but not rushed.

 

[robert p]

As previously mentioned, Velvet Curtain's rate $160/hr., and that establishment is a Kamp.

 

[A Real Monster]

160 for hh fs is the going rate...

 

[eppzmbhi]

the K AMP's that I frequent (mainly VC) have dropped down to $160 hh for f/s..I wonder if the J AMP is going to follow suit?...been dying to try them.