Chat Will the government start closing spas soon?

[cupcrazy]

Problem is, if the spas remain open, there will always be some guys going and then the cycle and spreading continues outside the spa. To slow this thing down requires an overall coordinated effort (and sacrifice) by everyone...

If you go to work or go out, you can get infected.

Spas have rents to pay not to mention bills to pay. mpas have bills to pay.

Are we going to criticize those who cant work at home to show up at work too? We are adults. If you dont feel safe, dont visit a spa period for the time being

 

[OG_funguy]

If you go to work or go out, you can get infected.

Spas have rents to pay not to mention bills to pay. mpas have bills to pay.

Are we going to criticize those who cant work at home to show up at work too? We are adults. If you dont feel safe, dont visit a spa period for the time being

True...there's no easy solution which is why governments are flip flopping every day.

But we're talking 2-4 weeks here, just to curb the spreading...I'm sure spa owners and most MPAs have enough savings to get by for a couple of weeks.

Are you saying you can't?

 

[sy barite]

If you go to work or go out, you can get infected.

Spas have rents to pay not to mention bills to pay. mpas have bills to pay.

Are we going to criticize those who cant work at home to show up at work too? We are adults. If you dont feel safe, dont visit a spa period for the time being

I would agree with these sentiments if it weren't for the fact that we are in a situation the aactions of a few can affect others. It is not as simple as minding your own business. You may be willing to undertake risky behaviour, but if you lose the bet, others lose with you. For that reason, short term pain should be shared by everyone. Essential services are one thing, but entertainment...sorry, we should sacrifice that and find a way to help these MPAs without places being kept open.

 

[OG_funguy]

I would agree with these sentiments if it weren't for the fact that we are in a situation the aactions of a few can affect others. It is not as simple as minding your own business. You may be willing to undertake risky behaviour, but if you lose the bet, others lose with you. For that reason, short term pain should be shared by everyone. Essential services are one thing, but entertainment...sorry, we should sacrifice that and find a way to help these MPAs without places being kept open.

Agreed, pretty much what I said earlier in this thread...folks, we're just talking a few weeks here (hopefully) to get things under control

 

[fogducker]

Not sure why they would close spa's - whenever I've gone there have been less than 5 of us in the room at one time

 

[krayjee]

Not sure why they would close spa's - whenever I've gone there have been less than 5 of us in the room at one time

One infected customer can easily passed it on to the girl without knowing he was infected. She will passed it to her co workers in the spa. Say 3 MPAs working that day and each girl sees 5 customers. That becomes 15 . Those 15 guys pass it to their friends and families, and those 3 girls to their family members and friends. You do the math.

I still think Premier Ford made the mistake in saying not to gather more than 50 person at a time. It should be 5 or less. If possible just 1 or 2 and 6' apart from each other.

 

[OG_funguy]

One infected customer can easily passed it on to the girl without knowing he was infected. She will passed it to her co workers in the spa. Say 3 MPAs working that day and each girl sees 5 customers. That becomes 15 . Those 15 guys pass it to their friends and families, and those 3 girls to their family members and friends. You do the math.

That's just one day...

 

[TheKWguy]

Scary when Kj understands math that isnt in $5 and $20 increments

 

[OG_funguy]

Scary when Kj understands math that isnt in $5 and $20 increments

C'mon, he's a big player. Only $10 increments and higher

 

[krayjee]

C'mon, he's a big player. Only $10 increments and higher

Hahaha..ask the girls. I only go by the colors, red and browns are the only ones in my wallet most of the time.

I am not good with numbers but never needed to use calculators to calculate the girls' earnings at the end of the shift when I was working at the spas. In our old days we have to learn the multiplications by heart up to 24. All the work books have multiplication chart at the back cover from 1 to 24. I laugh at girls who have to pull out their smart phones for simple math.

 

[OG_funguy]

Hahaha..ask the girls. I only go by the colors, red and browns are the only ones in my wallet most of the time.

I wish I was better at golf to play you for money but unfortunately I suck...

 

[Happyman]

Spas will be closed in a way similar to Airlines because of lack of business.

 

[pman]

If you go to work or go out, you can get infected.

Spas have rents to pay not to mention bills to pay. mpas have bills to pay.

Are we going to criticize those who cant work at home to show up at work too? We are adults. If you dont feel safe, dont visit a spa period for the time being

Agree, but thethen MPAs who scare and wants to take off for a while, should be able to do it without loosing their job...

 

[krayjee]

Spas will be closed in a way similar to Airlines because of lack of business.

It already happened today. 2-3 spas opened against my suggestions. After 2-3 pm, they closed down having zero customer.

 

[dickinabox]

On the red board an interesting post about the situation at Premier...

To extend my initial post as to which spa and the why’s, here is her response

I give some context let’s start at the beginning.
Some facts for the public:
-to be an MPA one must be hired firstly and given an employment letter from the spa you’re going to work at, have no criminal record and obtain a background check, clearance from a Doctor that you one doesn’t have any communicable diseases and finally, a license from the city. This all costs about $500 and about 9 hours of running around to get it done.
-when hired at premier, they do not tell you any of their “rules” until after this obtained.
-premier does not allow you to choose when you work, it’s mandatory you work nights and weekends even if you can’t (say you have kids, school, another job etc.), you must give 2 weeks notice for any time you need off (we can all agree this is fair and probably their own fair rule), if you miss a shift- you’re expected to pay $150/shift missed wether your child is sick, there’s a pandemic, you have your period or you’re feeling ill. If you’re late for a shift they charge $20/30 mins you’re late and if you have to go home early, you pay between $70-150 depending on many hours you require off early, if a client books a 40 mins (which costs the same as a 30 mins) and a client leaves early (now this client hasn’t been rushed, he just needs to leave and he’s got what he’s come for) the receptionist are told to charge us anywhere between $20-50 dollars for a client leaving early. The client doesn’t get that money back. We completed a session and the client was happy and will most likely return to see us...why do we get money taken away? Are we to hold clients hostage?
-when hired we are told we are to execute our jobs within MPA standards...but you’ll soon realize that clients come to premier because it’s a “sure thing.” This “sure thing” is now being instructed to be done “for free” to keep you busy and fully booked. If you do not do it, you will not be busy unless you have been there a long time and have acquired clients that are MPA limits only...even then, most do your sessions will be boundary pushers who will be very upset at their session if you do not do what they want. But that is for another post...today we are here to give you a little context on what exactly we are expected to do at our jobs and how how an illness sweeping the world and infecting thousands is not a reason to close down a spa and a really awesome time to charge its employees $150/shift for missing work.


Five days ago, the WHO labeled this COVID19 virus as being a pandemic. It took our spa management a few hours to compile a notice they put our site and a message to us ladies in a group chat which is below:


“Hi everyone:


No doubt you’ve all been following the news about the current public health situation and I’m sure like everyone you’re very worried. We wanted you to know we’re also very concerned and thinking about you. We know this is a very difficult and stressful time for everyone.


We wanted to share that we have placed a statement on our website to inform our clients that all attendants and managers have total discretion to cancel any session and refuse service to any client who you feel is not completely healthy at this time.


Because there are currently 59 known cases out of the 15 million people who live in Ontario, many people have chosen to continue working in their jobs, but should any of you wish to temporarily take time off just to be extra cautious please be rest assured you are totally welcome to do so and your decision will not be held against you in any way.


We are incredibly thankful for the amazing job that you all do! We are so lucky to have you as part of our team, and by supporting each other we will all get through this challenging time together.


Thank you so much,


Management”


All this message tells us, is this...please book time you require off two weeks in advance as usual and we won’t hold it against you.


And now I’m not 20000% sure on the timing here as I do check the schedule every day...but earlier that day or maybe the night before, the person who does our schedule, Hazel, went and posted the schedules of every employee under their name 2 weeks out, knowing that the situation was intensifying, I, if in her position and the owners position, would have held off on posting it a day or two to see how the situation developed giving my employees the chance to be smart and safe and book time off immediately following a message I knew was coming...but that was not the case. All of us working when we received hazels message went to see the schedule and all basically said “wtf” to ourselves as the schedule was posted 2 weeks out and we all proceeded to book time off.


Since then, the spa had been fairly dead for most girls working- we saw a spike in clients who were under 40 who didn’t give a shit about health and safety and thought this virus couldn’t touch them. They pushed boundaries even more, wanted extras for free and insisted on kissing.


Fast forward to the last few days, almost all girls are scared going into work and quite honestly those who aren’t, aren’t following this very closely and seeing the world impact. Most girls are trying to get rid of their shifts because we have been told if we don’t want to work, we must get rid of our shifts or face a $150/shift fine. No one wants to take shifts. No one wants to be there. Clients aren’t coming in. Yesterday a girl whom SIMCITY has mentioned was fired.
A little background here because I believe transparency to be key- she is a fiesty girl, passionate and protective of her family. She has family members that are extremely young and older members whom are immunocompromised. She has not gone to work in over an week missing (3 shifts at this part in her story) and has been posting all her shifts up for girls to take if they want to work. No one is biting. It’s now a pandemic- she messages Hazel and tells her she isn’t coming to her shift and that she won’t be finding a replacement because this is ridiculous and clearly they don’t care about our health or the health of our clients and that we shouldn’t be open let alone forced to pay our shift fees while following government recommendations about social distancing and isolation. They retort with what’s expected in a defensive tone and she is fired without being told she’s fired directly. They removed her from the group chat and took all her shifts down.
In fairness to the spa (yes, I would like to point this out and be fair), her responses to Hazel were short and abrupt, could have been viewed as insubordination even, but given the nature of our job and the fact that we know 2 weeks mandatory isolation is coming which means we won’t be working and we won’t know when we can go back to work or how long our money will last us, she was scared and disappointed that our employers really don’t care about us or our health. Just money. They expect us to kiss clients and be pressed together like a peanut butter and jam sandwich, breathing in each other’s space and exchanging fluids while a fucking pandemic is going on.


Now today, Ford has declared a state of emergency and the spa is still open. There has been no address from the owners or management team that the spa will be closed until further notice and that girls are to go home. There has been nothing done. Nothing! Do with that what you will but in a crisis like that I will not be returning to this spa when it’s said and done and no, I have not been fired. I will be going to the ministry of health, the labour board and a lawyer when this is over. Given the nature of our jobs, we should have been closed and if not closed, workers should have been given the choice whether or not they wished to come to work and if not, no fees should have been charged for this. I know I wouldn’t have been going back to owe 600 in fines to a business that didn’t give a shit about me or my health. We get treated like shit on the regular and we put up with it because premier is busy- we don’t sit around like other spa girls waiting hours to see a client. We see on average between 5-9 clients/8 hour shift. We make tips. We are busy. We put up with a lot because the alternative to make half of what we make and sit around bored. But now our perspectives have changed a bit...a lot of us would rather make less and be bored but work for a company that doesn’t treat us like shit and cares about our health. I highly suggest an influx of clients when we reopen our spas, but go to places that cared about the ladies you so enjoy spending time with! Or follow the ladies that leave Premier after this because there will be at least a few. Any premier ladies that read this, and decide to leave and would like your clients to follow you, I will be creating an account here and will make a post on this thread when I have done so with an email- please respond or email me and tell me who you are, I will make a post about where you have gone instead of premier to give your clients a chance to follow you. I think that it’s the least we as a community could do to have fair working conditions, be treated like humans and to not feel like sex slaves to a couple of people who don’t give a shit about anything but money in a time of crisis.


Thank you

 

[cupcrazy]

On the red board an interesting post about the situation at Premier...

To extend my initial post as to which spa and the why’s, here is her response

I give some context let’s start at the beginning.
Some facts for the public:
-to be an MPA one must be hired firstly and given an employment letter from the spa you’re going to work at, have no criminal record and obtain a background check, clearance from a Doctor that you one doesn’t have any communicable diseases and finally, a license from the city. This all costs about $500 and about 9 hours of running around to get it done.
-when hired at premier, they do not tell you any of their “rules” until after this obtained.
-premier does not allow you to choose when you work, it’s mandatory you work nights and weekends even if you can’t (say you have kids, school, another job etc.), you must give 2 weeks notice for any time you need off (we can all agree this is fair and probably their own fair rule), if you miss a shift- you’re expected to pay $150/shift missed wether your child is sick, there’s a pandemic, you have your period or you’re feeling ill. If you’re late for a shift they charge $20/30 mins you’re late and if you have to go home early, you pay between $70-150 depending on many hours you require off early, if a client books a 40 mins (which costs the same as a 30 mins) and a client leaves early (now this client hasn’t been rushed, he just needs to leave and he’s got what he’s come for) the receptionist are told to charge us anywhere between $20-50 dollars for a client leaving early. The client doesn’t get that money back. We completed a session and the client was happy and will most likely return to see us...why do we get money taken away? Are we to hold clients hostage?
-when hired we are told we are to execute our jobs within MPA standards...but you’ll soon realize that clients come to premier because it’s a “sure thing.” This “sure thing” is now being instructed to be done “for free” to keep you busy and fully booked. If you do not do it, you will not be busy unless you have been there a long time and have acquired clients that are MPA limits only...even then, most do your sessions will be boundary pushers who will be very upset at their session if you do not do what they want. But that is for another post...today we are here to give you a little context on what exactly we are expected to do at our jobs and how how an illness sweeping the world and infecting thousands is not a reason to close down a spa and a really awesome time to charge its employees $150/shift for missing work.


Five days ago, the WHO labeled this COVID19 virus as being a pandemic. It took our spa management a few hours to compile a notice they put our site and a message to us ladies in a group chat which is below:


“Hi everyone:


No doubt you’ve all been following the news about the current public health situation and I’m sure like everyone you’re very worried. We wanted you to know we’re also very concerned and thinking about you. We know this is a very difficult and stressful time for everyone.


We wanted to share that we have placed a statement on our website to inform our clients that all attendants and managers have total discretion to cancel any session and refuse service to any client who you feel is not completely healthy at this time.


Because there are currently 59 known cases out of the 15 million people who live in Ontario, many people have chosen to continue working in their jobs, but should any of you wish to temporarily take time off just to be extra cautious please be rest assured you are totally welcome to do so and your decision will not be held against you in any way.


We are incredibly thankful for the amazing job that you all do! We are so lucky to have you as part of our team, and by supporting each other we will all get through this challenging time together.


Thank you so much,


Management”


All this message tells us, is this...please book time you require off two weeks in advance as usual and we won’t hold it against you.


And now I’m not 20000% sure on the timing here as I do check the schedule every day...but earlier that day or maybe the night before, the person who does our schedule, Hazel, went and posted the schedules of every employee under their name 2 weeks out, knowing that the situation was intensifying, I, if in her position and the owners position, would have held off on posting it a day or two to see how the situation developed giving my employees the chance to be smart and safe and book time off immediately following a message I knew was coming...but that was not the case. All of us working when we received hazels message went to see the schedule and all basically said “wtf” to ourselves as the schedule was posted 2 weeks out and we all proceeded to book time off.


Since then, the spa had been fairly dead for most girls working- we saw a spike in clients who were under 40 who didn’t give a shit about health and safety and thought this virus couldn’t touch them. They pushed boundaries even more, wanted extras for free and insisted on kissing.


Fast forward to the last few days, almost all girls are scared going into work and quite honestly those who aren’t, aren’t following this very closely and seeing the world impact. Most girls are trying to get rid of their shifts because we have been told if we don’t want to work, we must get rid of our shifts or face a $150/shift fine. No one wants to take shifts. No one wants to be there. Clients aren’t coming in. Yesterday a girl whom SIMCITY has mentioned was fired.
A little background here because I believe transparency to be key- she is a fiesty girl, passionate and protective of her family. She has family members that are extremely young and older members whom are immunocompromised. She has not gone to work in over an week missing (3 shifts at this part in her story) and has been posting all her shifts up for girls to take if they want to work. No one is biting. It’s now a pandemic- she messages Hazel and tells her she isn’t coming to her shift and that she won’t be finding a replacement because this is ridiculous and clearly they don’t care about our health or the health of our clients and that we shouldn’t be open let alone forced to pay our shift fees while following government recommendations about social distancing and isolation. They retort with what’s expected in a defensive tone and she is fired without being told she’s fired directly. They removed her from the group chat and took all her shifts down.
In fairness to the spa (yes, I would like to point this out and be fair), her responses to Hazel were short and abrupt, could have been viewed as insubordination even, but given the nature of our job and the fact that we know 2 weeks mandatory isolation is coming which means we won’t be working and we won’t know when we can go back to work or how long our money will last us, she was scared and disappointed that our employers really don’t care about us or our health. Just money. They expect us to kiss clients and be pressed together like a peanut butter and jam sandwich, breathing in each other’s space and exchanging fluids while a fucking pandemic is going on.


Now today, Ford has declared a state of emergency and the spa is still open. There has been no address from the owners or management team that the spa will be closed until further notice and that girls are to go home. There has been nothing done. Nothing! Do with that what you will but in a crisis like that I will not be returning to this spa when it’s said and done and no, I have not been fired. I will be going to the ministry of health, the labour board and a lawyer when this is over. Given the nature of our jobs, we should have been closed and if not closed, workers should have been given the choice whether or not they wished to come to work and if not, no fees should have been charged for this. I know I wouldn’t have been going back to owe 600 in fines to a business that didn’t give a shit about me or my health. We get treated like shit on the regular and we put up with it because premier is busy- we don’t sit around like other spa girls waiting hours to see a client. We see on average between 5-9 clients/8 hour shift. We make tips. We are busy. We put up with a lot because the alternative to make half of what we make and sit around bored. But now our perspectives have changed a bit...a lot of us would rather make less and be bored but work for a company that doesn’t treat us like shit and cares about our health. I highly suggest an influx of clients when we reopen our spas, but go to places that cared about the ladies you so enjoy spending time with! Or follow the ladies that leave Premier after this because there will be at least a few. Any premier ladies that read this, and decide to leave and would like your clients to follow you, I will be creating an account here and will make a post on this thread when I have done so with an email- please respond or email me and tell me who you are, I will make a post about where you have gone instead of premier to give your clients a chance to follow you. I think that it’s the least we as a community could do to have fair working conditions, be treated like humans and to not feel like sex slaves to a couple of people who don’t give a shit about anything but money in a time of crisis.


Thank you
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One infected customer can easily passed it on to the girl without knowing he was infected. She will passed it to her co workers in the spa. Say 3 MPAs working that day and each girl sees 5 customers. That becomes 15 . Those 15 guys pass it to their friends and families, and those 3 girls to their family members and friends. You do the math.

I still think Premier Ford made the mistake in saying not to gather more than 50 person at a time. It should be 5 or less. If possible just 1 or 2 and 6' apart from each other.

Based in what said, you should avoid to play golf. After all, it takes one person to inflect one person. Yet you still go and play golf.

As a customer you have the right to go and not. To force all the spas to shut down is ridiculous.

I cant speak for every girl in thr industry. The cost of living is pretty steep. I have savings but it is not something i want to do nor the girls.

 

[TheKWguy]

Yeah its a business. Hard core work. Props to the gal who posted, she's got guts

 

[OG_funguy]

Hahaha..ask the girls. I only go by the colors, red and browns are the only ones in my wallet most of the time.

I am not good with numbers but never needed to use calculators to calculate the girls' earnings at the end of the shift when I was working at the spas. In our old days we have to learn the multiplications by heart up to 24. All the work books have multiplication chart at the back cover from 1 to 24. I laugh at girls who have to pull out their smart phones for simple math.

I use an abaccus to figure out how much I owe them at the end of my session...

 

[Whitesnake1987]

One infected customer can easily passed it on to the girl without knowing he was infected. She will passed it to her co workers in the spa. Say 3 MPAs working that day and each girl sees 5 customers. That becomes 15 . Those 15 guys pass it to their friends and families, and those 3 girls to their family members and friends. You do the math.

I still think Premier Ford made the mistake in saying not to gather more than 50 person at a time. It should be 5 or less. If possible just 1 or 2 and 6' apart from each other.

Sounds like someone whos been reading about transmission after the Whores starting coughing at Lamonny and One Plus one last week. Please don't die Taipeiman.

 

[RojaRawlin]

What is the Red Board everyone is talking about?