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Hi

I was just reading his weekely update;

There've been ongoing rumours about Nana Plaza's future for longer than I have been writing this column and no doubt they will continue until the end of 2012 at least, when the master lease for the plaza comes up. Down in Phuket similar rumours have been flying about for almost as long over the future of Soi Eric, arguably the best bar area in Patong. Bar owners in Soi Eric are wondering whether their new leases will be available when the master lease comes up down there. Sources who claim to know the owners of the land say the leases won't be renewed because the owners want to redevelop the site - which sounds plausible enough given its location on Bangla but with that said, I have no idea what is true and what isn't. These are, as I say, rumours. The similarities between Nana Plaza and Soi Eric are uncanny. Years ago the departure of either would have been a genuine loss, but given what has happened to Nana Plaza in Bangkok, and with the over supply of bars in Phuket, the disappearance of either would be no great loss.
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The Coconut Bar, Pattaya

That's a bit Harsh and not something I think anyone on this site would agree with.

Best wishes

Drew
 
Over the years I have heard many rumors about the future of Bangla and its bars....What I have heard is that the ultimate plan is to move most all of the bars, gogo's, discos, and present "girlie" nightlife back into the back area of Jungceylon and Carrefour since those in charge feel they want to "Clean Up" bangla and make it more family friendly....It appears to me that this is slowly happening...Seadragon is gone and its reopenning will be nothing like we knew of it before...Soi Lion is supposed to be closed in another few months and of course there is this lease question about Soi Eric...I see a pattern developing....all I can say is that I'm just glad I got to live and experience it when it was what it was.
 
DrFG but if it did happen how do you know it might not be even better if it was moved?? not everything from the past is best.

I've too heard this rumour for years, I too felt it was slowly happening and it made sense, but recently I've reversed my thoughts and feel Bangla will there for a long time yet, metamorphing, changing, hopefully for the better, but do not think its going anywhere soon..
 
Heard the Bangla is moving rumor for years as well.

I find it hard to believe the Thais would have a long range plan for anything. Outside of possibly eating.
 
That is so true...but I do think there is a small select group of people here that may have some sense and planning capabilities
 
The rumours are long on the street. Question is where those stories came from...
Is it from those people who develop the area behind Jungceylon? Do they have a motive in it that bars are moving towards that area?
Did the rumours stated that Tiger Disco was going to close? And did the rumours say that the same group was going to reopen the Tiger at the boxing stadium site? Did all the bars move to an area leased by that same group..?
Bangla is not moving and no plans are there by all land owners, just by several lease holders who would like it to move for their own benefits. What individual land owners might do is a total other question...
 
i don't know any of the rumors
but you can see the gradual change already with the chain stores going in and bigger hotels being build in proximity
again, i don't know anything about the l;ease holders and owners, but you can certainly see a shift in businesses going in there

as Dodger said, really won't make a difference if it all moved back to JC though
 
Don't know if it's so much of a concerted effort to move the area. I think it's just inevitable that big money will eventually take over that area. It's a prime location, close to the beach, close to shopping and dining. Quite attractive for some hotel or resort chains to make substantial offers. Probably more money and stability in the long run for landowners than a bunch of beer bars.

But like everything else here, I'll believe it when I see it.
 
Could it be acutally happening though? Thinking - there were the bars down the middle of Soi Seadragon now gone - and in it's place, it isn't going to be more bars........or is it.
Then Soi Lion is shutting at the end of August.

In my local town, there was a street of specialist fish shops. People came from all over to shop there. One lease ran out though, and there's no money in fish presumably - someone selling cheap toilet rolls (I'm not making this up) moved in. There was uproar, but it never recovered. Now there's only three fish shops left, and a lot of shops of tat.

Dilute something, and it loses that special character. I dunno.
 
So with Seadragon closed and Lion closing also, are there plans for both these Soi's to be re-opened any time soon???
 
Yeah same near where my mum is.. They had a open market in a huge brick building, not stalls like thailand so much as semi open shops... Fish, meats, cheeses, bakery all specialty and great stuff. Last time I went back it was just tat, cheap clothing, usual car boot merchandise and the food side had almost gone. Sure the super store has better parking, and I guess it must be cheaper.. But that personal touch was missing.
 
this is a bit of an aside
but people, and especially us Americans ourselves, tend to overlook the smaller big cities in the US
i was just in Minneapolis for my 2nd time and what a vibrant city
just as you are explaining. one street, Nicolette Mall, every bar/restaurant with outdoor seating, farmers market right out on the street everyday
now Minny is insanely cold in the winter, just making a point that we overlook some of these great cities that are very vibrant that still have a lot of this going on

funny enough, the conference party was at a place called Brits with a huge, gorgeous lawn bowling yard!! 5555 great place
 
I really think that the loss of Soi Eric would not be detrimental to my trips as Im a non drinker.. but hope that the Soi stays open for the sake of Bangla Road and those who make their living off of their bars...I was surprised to see how vacant and empty many of the bars were during my month long trip in May/June and think the bar business must be a difficult one... I would also be saddened to see the loss of Nana Plaza as well.. it would definitely make me rethink my whole hotel scheme when visiting Bangkok
 
Actually not privatly owned.
It is government land with a 30 years lease and the bars are sub leasing.....
 
Oh I agree...anything can happen...maybe better, maybe not...all I was referring to is the fact of how much I really enjoyed how it had once been..just personal feelings...regardless...we all seem to find our little niche' of fun as time rolls on
 
it would be a good thing if a soi or two closed.Theres way 2 many bars.Too many 2nd rate bars with 2nd rate services.Its because they can't make any money due to outrageous rents compared to revenues.
Its inevitable that the bars get "moved out the back" eventually.The land near the beach is incredibly underutilized by world standards.The only thing that will slow it down is trying to amalgamated the sites.
Sooner or later bar owners will realise that 30 sq m is not big enough to make a living except for the top 5 % of locations.Less bars of a bigger size will allow profits to be made and hence quality will be better.Bring it on.
 
Sorry, this whole post just contradicts itself.

Less bars = less competition = less choice for customer = better service??? On what planet?

And what kind of service are you looking for that you can't find on Bangla? You go in bar - Lady brings you drink - you take lady home for boom-boom! You can't get better service than that can you?
 
Sorry, this whole post just contradicts itself.

Less bars = less competition = less choice for customer = better service??? On what planet?

And what kind of service are you looking for that you can't find on Bangla? You go in bar - Lady brings you drink - you take lady home for boom-boom! You can't get better service than that can you?


sorry but your reply indicates your a very easy pleased customer.A bit of an airhead to perhaps? Never run a business obviously.
Competition up to a point improves things, past the point of total saturation things go into a decline as no money can be made capital is depleted and once gone it attract other owners with low capital.If you doubt this 20 years ago soi croc look virtually identical to how it does today, no improvement, soi eric ditto. Back in those days profits could be made from bars s it wa maybe 20% of the bars there are today.Now its always hustle the customer for as much as possible, the relaxation factor has diminished.Little crappy beer bars abound and apart from high season theres no profits.This reflects on the customer experience .Unless your spending $$$ every moment your in the bar your ingnored.Not like that years ago.
Move the bars and make them bigger and restrict the numbers.Business will boom because the owners and girls will be able to make a buck and re invest it in the business.The way it is now its a revolving door of undercapitlaized owners and desolate looking girls.Of course there exceptions that what keeps it going.
 
you are forgetting its the soi owners that set the agenda...and they couldn't give a feck about anything other than maximising the rent they get on their square fooeforum.xxxe..they work on the theory of "if one bar idiot owner fails another idiot will come along in their place"
 
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    All season wellness center : young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Alice ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  28. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julie ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Nina ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  29. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Kelly๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ’•is beautiful young student, busty with sexy body and provides very good massage and excellent service. So friendly and very sexy. Ivy โค๏ธ is new girl in our branch, shy and sweet but also very vocal and needy, she demands your happiness
  30. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 7 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MONIKA, RAVEN, AMANDA, DELILAH, PRIYA, SANA, EVA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  31. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅJAV MODEL CHANEL AND SEX QUEEN ZOE
  32. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have young 4 beautiful girls are working today , sweet new girl Amy and pretty GFE Ella, cute open mind Lina and friendly Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  33. Peony Garden Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ2 GIRLS AVAILABLE ๐ŸŒธ EMILY: A CURVY PETITE THAI GIRL THAT IS VERY FRIENDLY AND SPEAKS FLUENT ENGLISH, VERY OPEN WHEN IT COMES TO SERVICE ๐ŸŒธ YOYO: A YOUNG SLIM REAL SCHOOL GIRL THAT IS NEW TO THE BUSINESS, SPEAKS FLUENT ENGLISH AND VERY FRIENDLY TO TALK TO ๐ŸŒธ PEONY GARDEN SPA ๐ŸŒธ 3477 KENNEDY ROAD UNIT 4 ๐ŸŒธ (416) 335-6093 ๐ŸŒธ
  34. Sunrise Health Centre:
    Amy & Michelle are in Today! Call/Text: (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime - Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  35. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธKelly & Kiki. Kelly is slim and attractive with very slight curves, a nice bum, and rockinโ€™ services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services.
  36. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Sasa is a slim & sweet Korean lady, about 5โ€™4โ€ with C Cups.
  37. New Oriental Health Centre:
    Vivian & Happy are here today๐Ÿ’„~๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„ Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious ๐Ÿ‘ Our girls provide lots of service options & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open 9am - 2am everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  38. Bellagio Wellness &Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’— โ„๐”ธโ„™โ„™๐• ๐•„๐”ธโ„โ„‚โ„ ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ MARCH 27th , ๐“ฆ๐“”๐““๐“๐“”๐“ข๐““๐“๐“จ ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 707-6866 ๐Ÿ•™๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸOpen 10:30-10:00๐Ÿ—บ#33-160 East Beaver Creek ๐Ÿ—บ 7 Rms ๐Ÿ›๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸTable Shower(TS)+Massage 2hr $120*,TS & massage 1hr $90, ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ$40/50/60 for 30/45/60min ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸAttendants: We have 7๏ธโƒฃ today ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ†• LILIAN ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ†• CHERRY ๐ŸŒน CECELIA ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ†• SUNNY ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ†• SOPHIE ๐ŸŒน ๐ŸŒนERICA ๐ŸŒน LUCY ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ NEWSFLASH ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ ๐Ÿ†• LILIAN & ๐Ÿ†• SOPHIE & ERICA & ๐Ÿ†• SUNNY & CECELIA & ๐Ÿ†• CHERRY โ€˜ s BACK ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ TODAY ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€
  39. hiyamickey:
    6 young sexy girls working @ 3555 14th Ave unit #7 Markham, โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-470-8082
  40. Lulu1980:
    Good afternoon guys๐Ÿ˜˜ Today we have Jessica and Samantha and Jessica here for you๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน, awesome table shower with body slide super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366
  41. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEEN ZOE NOW AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆBLASIAN ALIYAH & SEX GODDESS ZOE
  42. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 7 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MAY, ASHA, MALIYA, SANA, AMANDA, PRIYA, ANAYA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  43. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on Tuesday: New polish girl gigi ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Salina- Eurasian beauty and breast lovers delight with nice rear with fun Mika - Japanese beauty who is wild and a fan favorite with exceptional service Candy - a sweet treat who enjoys her cream filled lollipop treats buny...
  44. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have young 4 beautiful girls are working today , sweet new girl Amy and pretty GFE Ella, cute open mind Lina and friendly Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  45. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts Cindy , Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Lulu,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massageSherry ,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  46. Moneylee:
    full season wellness center: NewYoung girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Mimi , Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage star ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  47. Peony Garden Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ3 GIRLS AVAILABLE TODAY ๐ŸŒธ NEW GIRL SELINA: A TALL SLENDER YOUNG ASIAN GIRL, VERY NICE ASSETS AND VERY SERVICE ORIENTED WHILE ALSO ABLE TO PROVIDE AN RMT LIKE MASSAGE ๐ŸŒธ DAISY: A PETITE CURVY ASIAN GIRL THAT IS VERY FRIENDLY AND NOT TIP HUNGRY ๐ŸŒธ JENNY: A TALL AND SLIM KOREAN GIRL THAT IS A TOTAL SERVICE QUEEN ๐ŸŒธ PEONY GARDEN SPA ๐ŸŒธ 3477 KENNEDY ROAD UNIT 4 ๐ŸŒธ (416) 335-6093 ๐ŸŒธ
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Summer๐Ÿ˜˜, a very feminine woman, very sexy, affable and nice looking woman. Professional RMT Massage and provides great massages and incredible service. Must try the service of summer. Angel ๐Ÿ’• Very beautiful girl from Taiwan, very curvy, young and sexy
  49. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡Young Sexy Chinese Jessica, Slim Chinese Lisa
  50. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: Eva & Helen. Eva is young, slim, innocent & demure looks, but donโ€™t let her innocent looks deceive. She can massage & service very well. Helen is a sweet and very lovable Asian beauty with just enough curves to tease you, and an attitude to please you.
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