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Seduction Spa **SAFETY ALERT**IMPORTANT**

Essem

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Wanted to share some very important details my fellow hobbiests should be aware of before venturing out to Seduction Spa this week. A member of our brotherhood unfortunately tested positive for COVID-19 on Saturday July 18 (Asymtomatic with zero symptoms, hope he gets better soon!).. for those wondering how I know, he's a personal friend and member of massage planet (this is not a rumor, its real life facts we need to take seriously).

Anyways he recently saw Selena and Victoria at seduction and Mila at srm - being the good Samaritan that he is, he called both spas to let them know in order to protect others. Srm took mila off the schdule within hours (updated Milas status to "vacation"), while Selena and Victoria have been scheduled and are still working going foward at seduction (appear to have regular schedules this week as well according to their website).

Not going to tell seduction how to run their spa, nor am I going to bash their establishment, but either they brushed aside the members information, didnt inform Victoria and Selena, or the mpas decided to just keep working despite knowing the information (COVID test results from my knowledge come back 3 days later, so I doubt they were tested in 1 day and cleared to work). Either way, seduction or the mpas have possibly put others safety and lives in danger.

Before deciding to share this on an open forum, I called Seduction Sunday to advise them of my friends test results (just incase they didn't take him seriously when he called, or the information he shared with me wasn't the whole story). I was advised that the spa tests their mpas and clients daily before each session session so I should not be concerned (and oddly encouraged/asked if I wanted to book with those girls), not wanting to argue i left it at that. Apparently the temperature gun they use is enough to rule out any concerns. I'll keep this post factual and avoid sharing my strong opinion on the matter.

For thr record: I visit seduction regularly and still plan to, by no means am I trashing thr spa, trying to ruin business or ruin the reputation of thr mpas mentioned in this post. Please do not respond with hate messages and pass judgement, take it anyway you want. My intention is to simply share in order to protect the safety of others.
 
Wanted to share some very important details my fellow hobbiests should be aware of before venturing out to Seduction Spa this week. A member of our brotherhood unfortunately tested positive for COVID-19 on Saturday July 18 (Asymtomatic with zero symptoms, hope he gets better soon!).. for those wondering how I know, he's a personal friend and member of massage planet (this is not a rumor, its real life facts we need to take seriously).

Anyways he recently saw Selena and Victoria at seduction and Mila at srm - being the good Samaritan that he is, he called both spas to let them know in order to protect others. Srm took mila off the schdule within hours (updated Milas status to "vacation"), while Selena and Victoria have been scheduled and are still working going foward at seduction (appear to have regular schedules this week as well according to their website).

Not going to tell seduction how to run their spa, nor am I going to bash their establishment, but either they brushed aside the members information, didnt inform Victoria and Selena, or the mpas decided to just keep working despite knowing the information (COVID test results from my knowledge come back 3 days later, so I doubt they were tested in 1 day and cleared to work). Either way, seduction or the mpas have possibly put others safety and lives in danger.

Before deciding to share this on an open forum, I called Seduction Sunday to advise them of my friends test results (just incase they didn't take him seriously when he called, or the information he shared with me wasn't the whole story). I was advised that the spa tests their mpas and clients daily before each session session so I should not be concerned (and oddly encouraged/asked if I wanted to book with those girls), not wanting to argue i left it at that. Apparently the temperature gun they use is enough to rule out any concerns. I'll keep this post factual and avoid sharing my strong opinion on the matter.

For thr record: I visit seduction regularly and still plan to, by no means am I trashing thr spa, trying to ruin business or ruin the reputation of thr mpas mentioned in this post. Please do not respond with hate messages and pass judgement, take it anyway you want. My intention is to simply share in order to protect the safety of others.
Dude you have a lot of time to troll. First the Shina nonsense and now this lol. By your logic if I randomly called allure or any spa right now saying I saw 2-3 of you're girls and I have covid they would immediately isolate them for 14 days? How do they know it's even true and not a troll?

It would be totally different if your "friend" told public health and these individuals were contacted by a reputable authority to self isolate. I can prank call any business be it a restaurant or a home depot and say the same stupid shit. I wouldn't expect them to care either.

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the spa told you they test the mpas and clients daily before each session? Ok.
 
Seduction has become one nasty cum dump whore std infection spa.
 
So you name drop the girls but not the poster? Classy move.

Not sure why his friend needs to be identified as none of us are going to see him. The girls were mentioned because any fellow hobbyist who saw those girls on the same day or after can go get tested as well, if they believe it's necessary. If this story is indeed true, the John in question did his part and called the spas to inform them of his situation.

Also, can confirm that Mila was immediately removed from the schedule today and placed on "vacation".
 
Not sure why his friend needs to be identified as none of us are going to see him. The girls were mentioned because any fellow hobbyist who saw those girls on the same day or after can go get tested as well, if they believe it's necessary. If this story is indeed true, the John in question did his part and called the spas to inform them of his situation.

Also, can confirm that Mila was immediately removed from the schedule today and placed on "vacation".

How do we know it's not him that tested positive?
 
wouldn't public health close the business? like a Grocery store or McDonalds until proper cleaning was done?
 
Hold on essem, I'm getting my tinfoil hat...

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You basically spent the last 2 weeks bashing the spa and Shina and after that dies down, conveniently your "friend" tested positive for Covid who also so happens to visit the same spa you've spent the last little while bashing.

More incredibly this "good Samaritan" randomly decided to get tested while showing no symptoms and apparently made an anonymous phone call to a spa expecting them to immediately suspend their staff from work.

If you're "friend" in question is such a great member of this forum, why wouldn't he post this himself?

This whole story sounds like even more of a joke than the Shina nonsense which I didn't even bother commenting on.
 
Dude you have a lot of time to troll. First the Shina nonsense and now this lol. By your logic if I randomly called allure or any spa right now saying I saw 2-3 of you're girls and I have covid they would immediately isolate them for 14 days? How do they know it's even true and not a troll?

It would be totally different if your "friend" told public health and these individuals were contacted by a reputable authority to self isolate. I can prank call any business be it a restaurant or a home depot and say the same stupid shit. I wouldn't expect them to care either.

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Lol HERE WE GO! Fair enough, he didnt report it to any "health authority". I get your point, sure there's a possibility they interpreted the call as a prank (does that make it right?), it's a free world do as you please my friend. If we are being hoenst I have an appointment booked with Lorena today, it didnt stop me (I enjoy going to seduction and will continue doing so, I recommend seductions, I like most of rhe girls there, what do you want from me?). Stop the hate, how much do I need to preface this isnt a personal attack - i wrote a positive review on victoria recently and had good things to say about Selena in past posts (which I maintain). Think before you speak.

I bashed Shina so what? I stand by my claims, if you don't agree then ignore my posts. I post regularly on this forum and have far more positive reviews than negative. Fuck you and your negative vibes bro, go shit on another forum.
 
How do we know it's not him that tested positive?

Not sure I understand your question. Are you implying that it could in fact be the OP that tested positive and he's making up a "friend"?

It doesn't really matter if it was Essem, you or myself. If any hobbyist tests positive, they should inform the spas they visited and let them know which girls they had sessions with. That person would have done their civic duty and then the onus would be on the spas to take the appropriate measures. In this case, Essem was pointing out that SRM acted right away whereas Seduction didn't and fed him some bogus line about testing the girls everyday.

Regardless, he gave the community a heads up so now it's up to everyone else to decide on what they want to do with that information.
 
Hold on essem, I'm getting my tinfoil hat...

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You basically spent the last 2 weeks bashing the spa and Shina and after that dies down, conveniently your "friend" tested positive for Covid who also so happens to visit the same spa you've spent the last little while bashing.

More incredibly this "good Samaritan" randomly decided to get tested while showing no symptoms and apparently made an anonymous phone call to a spa expecting them to immediately suspend their staff from work.

If you're "friend" in question is such a great member of this forum, why wouldn't he post this himself?

This whole story sounds like even more of a joke than the Shina nonsense which I didn't even bother commenting on.
I've spent the better half of 2 years complimenting seduction and recommending MOST of the girls at seduction on these forums. I write one (maybe a few before you call me out on that) reviews that are negative and all of a sudden thats all you see? I consistently tell you people seduction is my go to spot, I LIKE SEDUCTION, I RECOMMEND SEDUCTION, ITS ONE OF RHE BEST SPAS.. what can I do to make it more clear? Post links to all my reviews?
 
Lol HERE WE GO! Fair enough, he didnt report it to any "health authority". I get your point, sure there's a possibility they interpreted the call as a prank (does that make it right?), it's a free world do as you please my friend. If we are being hoenst I have an appointment booked with Lorena today, it didnt stop me (I enjoy going to seduction and will continue doing so, I recommend seductions, I like most of rhe girls there, what do you want from me?). Stop the hate, how much do I need to preface this isnt a personal attack - i wrote a positive review on victoria recently and had good things to say about Selena in past posts (which I maintain). Think before you speak.

I bashed Shina so what? I stand by my claims, if you don't agree then ignore my posts. I post regularly on this forum and have far more positive reviews than negative. Fuck you and your negative vibes bro, go shit on another forum.

"If we are being hoenst I have an appointment booked with Lorena today, it didnt stop me"...

:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf
 
Lol HERE WE GO! Fair enough, he didnt report it to any "health authority". I get your point, sure there's a possibility they interpreted the call as a prank (does that make it right?), it's a free world do as you please my friend. If we are being hoenst I have an appointment booked with Lorena today, it didnt stop me (I enjoy going to seduction and will continue doing so, I recommend seductions, I like most of rhe girls there, what do you want from me?). Stop the hate, how much do I need to preface this isnt a personal attack - i wrote a positive review on victoria recently and had good things to say about Selena in past posts (which I maintain). Think before you speak.

I bashed Shina so what? I stand by my claims, if you don't agree then ignore my posts. I post regularly on this forum and have far more positive reviews than negative. Fuck you and your negative vibes bro, go shit on another forum.

You're worried about the safety of members here which is great! However, if this is true, one thing I dont understand is why continue seeing girls there knowing that the virus may transfer from the mentioned MPA potentially exposed to the MPA you're seeing to you?
 
"If we are being hoenst I have an appointment booked with Lorena today, it didnt stop me"...

:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf
I'm young and have no preexisting health conditions. Ive decided to live with the risks, thats my choice (doesnt justify it, but right or wrong I'm just being honest). Neither of us are doctors, but what I do know is some are more cautious, may be older and have health conditions (which may possibly suggest they are more likely to be affected) this post is for them, not idiots like you who just hop from post to post trashing and judging others like your Simon Cowell. You have kver 300 posts and a few likes, clearly no one values your opinion lol thats the real funny thing about all this 🤣🤣🤣🤣 enjoy your 2 mins of fame? Lol
 
wouldn't public health close the business? like a Grocery store or McDonalds until proper cleaning was done?
Nope
Not sure I understand your question. Are you implying that it could in fact be the OP that tested positive and he's making up a "friend"?

It doesn't really matter if it was Essem, you or myself. If any hobbyist tests positive, they should inform the spas they visited and let them know which girls they had sessions with. That person would have done their civic duty and then the onus would be on the spas to take the appropriate measures. In this case, Essem was pointing out that SRM acted right away whereas Seduction didn't and fed him some bogus line about testing the girls everyday.

Regardless, he gave the community a heads up so now it's up to everyone else to decide on what they want to do with that information.

would you not expect that the testing center reports to public health and they follow up with contact tracing.

Fact is in a for-instance:
customer visits spa 1 week ago, starts feeling like shit, so goes to get tested. waits for results
How many people have come in contact with that interaction

Maybe the chick at SRM is pushing 102 degrees you don't know.

Anyone who thinks that the spas are following all the guidelines are puffin IMO.
 
You're worried about the safety of members here which is great! However, if this is true, one thing I dont understand is why continue seeing girls there knowing that the virus may transfer from the mentioned MPA potentially exposed to the MPA you're seeing to you?
We are all taking a risk. Regardless of this post or what others say. Coming in contact with a mpa who touches dozens of guys daily we are ALL putting ourselves out there to potentially catch or transfer thr virus. I can ask any member the same question you just asked me
 
You can get your results back in as little as 4 hours or up to 3 days it really depends on where you go to get tested, I have to get tested weekly from my work to continue to stay working and i have gotten my results usually same day.
 
Lol... imagine if I get covid after that shitty session with Victoria...
keeps getting better...
 
I'm young and have no preexisting health conditions. Ive decided to live with the risks, thats my choice (doesnt justify it, but right or wrong I'm just being honest). Neither of us are doctors, but what I do know is some are more cautious, may be older and have health conditions (which may possibly suggest they are more likely to be affected) this post is for them, not idiots like you who just hop from post to post trashing and judging others like your Simon Cowell. You have kver 300 posts and a few likes, clearly no one values your opinion lol thats the real funny thing about all this 🤣🤣🤣🤣 enjoy your 2 mins of fame? Lol
I agree
BUT
Do you know that there are risks of permanent lung damage, maybe ok when you are young
Whatcha do when you are older living a poor quality of life cause you did 30 min with a whore.
 
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    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯💯💯 - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Lily😘 - A petite tiny little Korean treat
  28. Moon&beauty:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 /Spanish girl (Mia) and Asian girl (Sophie) in today
  29. Spagirl:
    Golden leaf spa .2229 Bostock in mississauga.4379992166.super clean .linda is very friendly,does a very relaxing treatment.coco is small cute sexy slime
  30. Spagirl:
    GOLDEN LEAF Wellness center .2229 Bostock in missisauga
  31. Dreaminn:
    MONDAY at 💭DREAM INN WELLNESS SPA💭: LULU, MIMI & SUGAR 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie) Richmond Hill, ON ☎️ 647-829-2983 ☎️ LULU is a popular & well known Chinese attendant from another spa, very slim & beautiful, 5’3”, 105 pounds with 34C Cups & incredible services. MIMI is a young Asian lady with a medium build and nice services.
  32. GoldenFlower:
    MONDAY at💛⭐🌟🌻GOLDEN FLOWER SPA🌻🌟⭐💛, 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6 (Kennedy & Hwy 7), Markham, ON 905-258-0777Jojo, Mika, Monica & Sherry. Jojo is a beautiful young fair skinned Hong Kong girl who can melt all your cares away. Mika is a sexy petite Vietnamese lady who can take good care of all your needs. Monica is sweet, attractive and accommodating.
  33. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center :New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Ada ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry , address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2☎️4376655510 👅👅🦵🦵🈵🈵👄👄
  34. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Vita ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo, Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .☎️4379857899 👄👄🦵🦵🈵🈵👅👅
  35. ASPA:
    𝗠𝗢𝗡𝗗𝗔𝗬 𝗔𝗧 𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀: EMMA and RACHEL. 🅰️𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀🅰️, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. 🅰️𝗖𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟮𝟵-𝟲𝟲𝟬𝟲 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟯𝟵-𝟱𝟵𝟲𝟲🅰️ A THOUSAND PLEASURES AWAIT: EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable.
  36. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️(437) 818-8896☎️ ☎️(416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Bobo 😍 A brand new Hong Kong girl making her debut at Annie Spa, Bobo is a young busty girl with natural 36C breasts and big round juicy nipples. Her slim waist and perfect firm ass will have you eating out of her palm and her kitty.
  37. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️VIVIAN & JENNY JENNY has a medium build, nicely curved. Jenny has a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy. VIVIAN is camera shy & doesn’t want to post a pic so far. She is young, attractive, and a must see for big boob lovers.
  38. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute student Vivian 25 years old and young fun open mind Tina with curve body, sweet GFE pretty Ella and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available,350 Wilson Ave North York
  39. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at 🫦❤️🔴♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Cindy, Bella & Lisa. Bella is around 5’3” with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  40. dave guhan:
    ❤️ ANNA MOON DREAMS ❤️ AKA ANGELA/EMILY ❤️ AVAIL TODAY ❤️ SUNRISE HEALTH ❤️ 10 EAST WILMOT UNIT 27 ❤️ (647) 325-8086 ❤️
  41. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have 7 hot brown girls today 🌸 ASHA, MALIYA, SANA, AMANDA, MIMI, ANAYA, AAVI, ANGEL 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  42. Lily Spa:
    ❤️ SANA, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs ❤️ Lily Spa ❤️ 2190 McNicoll ❤️ Scarborough ❤️ M1V 5M2 ❤️ (647) 531-8288 ❤️
  43. Endless Joy Spa:
    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇New First Day Young Sexy Japanese Girl Nini (23 years old 163cm 50kg 34D) Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Judy, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  44. Peony Garden Spa:
    🌸3 GIRLS AVAILABLE TODAY 🌸 NEW GIRL HELEN: A YOUNG TALL AND SLIM VIETNAMESE GIRL WITH A VERY LUSCIOUS BODY, A ROUND BUBBLE BUTT AND VERY SWEET 🌸 JENNY: A TALL AND SLIM KOREAN GIRL THAT IS A TOTAL SERVICE QUEEN 🌸 ELLA: A PETITE YOUNG CHINESE GIRL THAT IS A POPULAR FAVOURITE 🌸 PEONY GARDEN SPA 🌸 3477 KENNEDY ROAD UNIT 4 🌸 (416) 335-6093 🌸
  45. Theodore:
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  46. Sparkling Spa:
    KOREAN PARTY GIRL SUMMER,@ Sparkling Spa👌MENTION OUR ADS AND RECEIVE A ROOM DISCOUNT $35 FOR 30MIN, $50 FOR 45MIN☎️(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Line☎️ ☎️(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT#8
  47. bumika.vashi:
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  48. Bellagio Wellness &Spa:
    💗💗💗 ℍ𝔸ℙℙ𝕐 𝔸ℙℝ𝕀𝕃 💗💗💗🌟🌟🌟 APRIL 22th , MONDAY 🌟🌟🌟 ☎️ (905) 707-6866 🕙🌟🌟🌟Open 10:30-10:00🗺#33-160 East Beaver Creek 🗺 7 Rms 🛏🌟🌟🌟Table Shower(TS)+Massage 2hr $120*,TS & massage 1hr $90, 🌟🌟🌟$40/50/60 for 30/45/60min 🌟🌟🌟Attendants: We have 6️⃣ today 🍀🍀🍀 🌹CHERRY 🌹 SOPHIE 🌹🆕 SENECA 🌹 SUNNY 🌹🆕 TINA 🌹 LUCY 🍀🍀🍀 NEWSFLASH 🍀🍀🍀 CHERRY & 🆕 TINA & 🆕 SENECA & SUNNY & SOPHIE ‘ s BACK 🍀🍀🍀 TODAY 🍀🍀🍀
  49. humanbeing:
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  50. Endless Joy Spa:
    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇Tomorrow New First Day Young Sexy Japanese Girl Nini (23 years old 163cm 50kg 34D) Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Judy, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
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