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Sources telling me they will make an announcement tomorrow March 23rd to close all non essential bussines or face fines.
 

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Wow, this is a first in my lifetime!
Well, this economy is really going to get hurt for a long long time. God bless us all!
 

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Too bad I still have to work. Some of the contracts that we have are with healthcare places.
 

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This is crazy.

Supposedly, this is all being done to flatten the curve and save lives. But does anyone understand how the numbers break down? Follow me here...we are causing all of this damage to the economy in order to "flatten the curve" meaning to keep infections at a rate that the hospitals can keep up with. What is that number? How many people can the hospitals give life saving treatment to? For argument's sake, let's say it is 8000. Does that mean we have to live life as we now are living it for as long as the threat of exceeding 8000 serious infections exists? For how long do we do that? One, two, three months? In that time, perhaps irreversible damage will be done to the economy...and at the end of that time if we relax the isolation conditions, won't the virus still be around and won't we all still be at threat of infections that exceed hospital capacity? If that's the case, we will have ruined the economy for nothing. All of this applies, even if we can increase capacity of our health care system.

It's a tough choice, no doubt, but I'm starting to think that a truly ruined economy will ultimately cause more suffering than the virus.
 
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I am apalled at the lack of urgency by people around me who only care about flattening the curve but not doing so swiftly. The fanaticism towards this pandemic to where people listen to the media's fear mongering by shopping like the world will end tomorrow, building their whole life around the virus, resigned to the fact that there may be no life after it has really pissed me off. This "however long it takes" approach is disgusting. However long it takes until we get healthy, right? WRONG ASSHOLES! There may be no tomorrow if the shutdown goes on for months and months and months and months AND months. Treat it as a temporary inconvenience, not as something you want to get used to. Don't embrace it! You wouldn't be so thankful to be alive and corona-free if you were destitute as a result of the economy's irreversible damage.
 

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This is crazy.

Supposedly, this is all being done to flatten the curve and save lives. But does anyone understand how the numbers break down? Follow me here...we are causing all of this damage to the economy in order to "flatten the curve" meaning to keep infections at a rate that the hospitals can keep up with. What is that number? How many people can the hospitals give life saving treatment to? For argument's sake, let's say it is 8000. Does that mean we have to live life as we now are living it for as long as the threat of exceeding 8000 serious infections exists? For how long do we do that? One, two, three months? In that time, perhaps irreversible damage will be done to the economy...and at the end of that time if we relax the isolation conditions, won't the virus still be around and won't we all still be at threat of infections that exceed hospital capacity? If that's the case, we will have ruined the economy for nothing. All of this applies, even if we can increase capacity of our health care system.

It's a tough choice, no doubt, but I'm starting to think that a truly ruined economy will ultimately cause more suffering than the virus.
 

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This is crazy.

Supposedly, this is all being done to flatten the curve and save lives. But does anyone understand how the numbers break down? Follow me here...we are causing all of this damage to the economy in order to "flatten the curve" meaning to keep infections at a rate that the hospitals can keep up with. What is that number? How many people can the hospitals give life saving treatment to? For argument's sake, let's say it is 8000. Does that mean we have to live life as we now are living it for as long as the threat of exceeding 8000 serious infections exists? For how long do we do that? One, two, three months? In that time, perhaps irreversible damage will be done to the economy...and at the end of that time if we relax the isolation conditions, won't the virus still be around and won't we all still be at threat of infections that exceed hospital capacity? If that's the case, we will have ruined the economy for nothing. All of this applies, even if we can increase capacity of our health care system.

It's a tough choice, no doubt, but I'm starting to think that a truly ruined economy will ultimately cause more suffering than the virus.
I'm not a doctor, so I have no idea how these viruses work. Correct me if I'm wrong. Say, we all isolate ourselves from everyone else for a few weeks, so that no one else gets infected. After these few weeks have passed, shouldn't this Corona virus die off on it's own, if no other person or animal gets infected? I would think that if the virus doesn't have a body to hold on to, it should die over time.
 

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I'm not a doctor, so I have no idea how these viruses work. Correct me if I'm wrong. Say, we all isolate ourselves from everyone else for a few weeks, so that no one else gets infected. After these few weeks have passed, shouldn't this Corona virus die off on it's own, if no other person or animal gets infected? I would think that if the virus doesn't have a body to hold on to, it should die over time.
If every single person in the world could be isolated from each other at the very same time for a long enough time yes, but otherwise you can't eradicate it. And severely ill patients can be infectious for a very long time.

Every cluster of infections worldwide began with one case. As long as someone somewhere has it then you return to ground zero and it just spreads all over again. It's like trying to stop the wind.
 

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If every single person in the world could be isolated from each other at the very same time for a long enough time yes, but otherwise you can't eradicate it. And severely ill patients can be infectious for a very long time.

Every cluster of infections worldwide began with one case. As long as someone somewhere has it then you return to ground zero and it just spreads all over again. It's like trying to stop the wind.
Then we can be in dilemma forever or until a vaccine or cure is developed.
 

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Then we can be in dilemma forever or until a vaccine or cure is developed.
Yes we'll have the same problems and COVID-19 will be circulating in two weeks, two months, and likely even two years and beyond.

Discovering, testing and mass manufacturing a vaccine takes a year to 18 months. If enough people catch it before that time "herd immunity" can also begin to develop.

Remember a third of the world caught the Spanish Flu in 1918, and scientists believe it's possible over time upwards of 70% of all people on the planet will be infected with the Corona Virus this time around.

When the Governor of California Gavin Newson ordered the state locked down he said the following: "We project that roughly 56% of our state’s population – 25.5 million people – will be infected with the virus over an eight-week period"

 

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Yes we'll have the same problems and COVID-19 will be circulating in two weeks, two months, and likely even two years and beyond.

Discovering, testing and mass manufacturing a vaccine takes a year to 18 months. If enough people catch it before that time "herd immunity" can also begin to develop.

Remember a third of the world caught the Spanish Flu in 1918, and scientists believe it's possible over time upwards of 70% of all people on the planet will be infected with the Corona Virus this time around.

When the Governor of California Gavin Newson ordered the state locked down he said the following: "We project that roughly 56% of our state’s population – 25.5 million people – will be infected with the virus over an eight-week period"

Yes, I did hear someone say on the TV news a couple of weeks ago, that half of United States will be infected. At the time I thought it was impossible. This is scarier than I thought. Thousands of small businesses will be permanently closed because of this.

What's herd immunity?
 

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The economy can recover. Yes some maybe even many business will be lost. These will come back up. Other people will start businesses in those same industries and we move forward. Flattening the curve is our best bet at this point. As we have no vaccine. I feel it only works if we go into complete shut down like NYC or California. I heard California is a more suggestion to their population and police are not necessarily fining businesses there.

As for SPAs no SPA should be open right now. You get the virus by being near a sick person. Or sick person coughing or sneezing on you or touching a surface that has the virus on it the virus can live on surfaces for 2 days at minimum. All your doing in a spa is being directly close to someone touching areas with your naked body. Talk about a breeding ground for this virus. If a girl is sick she could not know for 2 weeks. How many client's has she seen in those two weeks. That could infect hundreds more when you multiply her customers then they go home, a gas station , wal mart etc after a visit.

Also yes if we self isolate then come out and be around everyone again even stores bars and restaurants there could be a spike in infections. They're hoping though by doing a shut down of a few weeks or longer. Those even without symptoms will get sick and will see medical attention which. So now those people are isolated from the rest of us. Which would help slow down the infection rate as if we all keep to ourselves for 2-4 weeks actually keep to ourselves not just pretend to do it. The virus has nowhere to go. It wont completely die off but it would be slowed significantly.
 

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Along with most won't die. For old people 65+ yes ariels customers at pure lol this is a deadly virus or someone with pre-existing health issues.

It's not the fact you won't die. The virus passes on so easily to others along with if it overwhelms our health system what about others with health issues like a stroke, heart attack, diabetes they won't get help. This is about trying to not overwhelm the health system. If it's overwhelmed we are fucked if you have any other issues say you get into a car accident or stroke out. You could die because all their treating is corona patients and have no time or space for you.

It's about not sending our hospitals into overload. Plus not like we can ask Ursus to be a doctor if doctors and nurses get sick who can take care of us? That's the problem in Italy now doctors are dying hard to just replace a doctor. You don't get a medical degree in 6 months.
 

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I'm not a doctor, so I have no idea how these viruses work. Correct me if I'm wrong. Say, we all isolate ourselves from everyone else for a few weeks, so that no one else gets infected. After these few weeks have passed, shouldn't this Corona virus die off on it's own, if no other person or animal gets infected? I would think that if the virus doesn't have a body to hold on to, it should die over time.
Half of the cases in South Korea can be attributed to 1 person.
 

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The economy can recover. Yes some maybe even many business will be lost. These will come back up. Other people will start businesses in those same industries and we move forward. Flattening the curve is our best bet at this point. As we have no vaccine. I feel it only works if we go into complete shut down like NYC or California. I heard California is a more suggestion to their population and police are not necessarily fining businesses there.

As for SPAs no SPA should be open right now. You get the virus by being near a sick person. Or sick person coughing or sneezing on you or touching a surface that has the virus on it the virus can live on surfaces for 2 days at minimum. All your doing in a spa is being directly close to someone touching areas with your naked body. Talk about a breeding ground for this virus. If a girl is sick she could not know for 2 weeks. How many client's has she seen in those two weeks. That could infect hundreds more when you multiply her customers then they go home, a gas station , wal mart etc after a visit.

Also yes if we self isolate then come out and be around everyone again even stores bars and restaurants there could be a spike in infections. They're hoping though by doing a shut down of a few weeks or longer. Those even without symptoms will get sick and will see medical attention which. So now those people are isolated from the rest of us. Which would help slow down the infection rate as if we all keep to ourselves for 2-4 weeks actually keep to ourselves not just pretend to do it. The virus has nowhere to go. It wont completely die off but it would be slowed significantly.
Thanks for this Dave, I am getting winded from explaining this to those that need it repeated and repeated.
For fuck sake everybody pay attention.
 

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This is all the more reason why antimalarial drugs should be given to those with the virus. They are said to be effective, but we'll never know if they aren't used. Give it to enough people and we'll soon find out. There is nothing to lose. Too much caution is not productive in a crisis. A reasonably effective solution now is better than a perfect solution in the future.
 

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Yes, I did hear someone say on the TV news a couple of weeks ago, that half of United States will be infected. At the time I thought it was impossible. This is scarier than I thought. Thousands of small businesses will be permanently closed because of this.

What's herd immunity?
Once a critical mass of a populace has achieved immunity, either through vaccination or through enough people having already been infected, then the virus peters out because there are not enough people who have no immunity to keep spreading the disease.

 
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