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I believe kissing will be banned until there's a vaccine.
If you think kissing is the only risk, you're being wildly optimistic. Literally everything about a massage makes is a horrible idea in a post-pandemic world. Just being in the same small room is enough to catch it if one of the two people are infected.

Consider this a moment. An asymptomatic dude come to the MP. There about a 100% chance he will infect the girl, because this virus is so incredibly contagious. Now, within a few hours or a day or two at most, the virus has taken hold of the MA, who may not exhibit symptoms either for a few days and may not ever exhibit symptoms. So there's a high likelihood she'll infect a bunch of her clients as well.

I think going forward, there will be three types of clients... those that are poorly informed, those that take the "Let Jesus take the wheel" types, and those that are vaccinated or immune.

Personally, I think my MP days may be over for a long time, and possibly forever. Or at least until there's a vaccine, and I've had it!
 

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If you think kissing is the only risk, you're being wildly optimistic. Literally everything about a massage makes is a horrible idea in a post-pandemic world. Just being in the same small room is enough to catch it if one of the two people are infected.

Consider this a moment. An asymptomatic dude come to the MP. There about a 100% chance he will infect the girl, because this virus is so incredibly contagious. Now, within a few hours or a day or two at most, the virus has taken hold of the MA, who may not exhibit symptoms either for a few days and may not ever exhibit symptoms. So there's a high likelihood she'll infect a bunch of her clients as well.

I think going forward, there will be three types of clients... those that are poorly informed, those that take the "Let Jesus take the wheel" types, and those that are vaccinated or immune.

Personally, I think my MP days may be over for a long time, and possibly forever. Or at least until there's a vaccine, and I've had it!
...this is poor hobby 4 risk averse. Actually no reason 2 read massageplanet any more, so u save $ & time. Bye!

...dudes feel like their risk went from 0% to 100%....

Chance b4 was maybe 1-2% you catch;
  • a flu,
  • common cold
  • cold sores
  • nasty rashes
  • of course STIs
...& now it’s 1.1% to 2.1%. with COVID, given large chance no symptoms...

... same as any gf, no more, no less...

Porn, no chance of any of that. :blow self

...personally, doing my best to flatten the curve... but 4me, physical touch & intimacy = human right...
 

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...this is poor hobby 4 risk averse. Actually no reason 2 read massageplanet any more, so u save $ & time. Bye!

...dudes feel like their risk went from 0% to 100%....

Chance b4 was maybe 1-2% you catch;
  • a flu,
  • common cold
  • cold sores
  • nasty rashes
  • of course STIs
...& now it’s 1.1% to 2.1%. with COVID, given large chance no symptoms...

... same as any gf, no more, no less...

Porn, no chance of any of that. :blow self

...personally, doing my best to flatten the curve... but 4me, physical touch & intimacy = human right...
Are you speaking solely about holistic spas?

There was 0% chance of getting a STI if you go to a legit place. 0.1 % chance from a massage an hj only place prior to Covid.

Not quite the same as it used to be going forward though.
 

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If you think kissing is the only risk, you're being wildly optimistic. Literally everything about a massage makes is a horrible idea in a post-pandemic world. Just being in the same small room is enough to catch it if one of the two people are infected.

Consider this a moment. An asymptomatic dude come to the MP. There about a 100% chance he will infect the girl, because this virus is so incredibly contagious. Now, within a few hours or a day or two at most, the virus has taken hold of the MA, who may not exhibit symptoms either for a few days and may not ever exhibit symptoms. So there's a high likelihood she'll infect a bunch of her clients as well.

I think going forward, there will be three types of clients... those that are poorly informed, those that take the "Let Jesus take the wheel" types, and those that are vaccinated or immune.

Personally, I think my MP days may be over for a long time, and possibly forever. Or at least until there's a vaccine, and I've had it!
I don't know how the girls will be giving massages if we all need to be 2 metres apart.
 

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Are you speaking solely about holistic spas?

There was 0% chance of getting a STI if you go to a legit place. 0.1 % chance from a massage an hj only place prior to Covid.

Not quite the same as it used to be going forward though.
...yeah, changes depending what services u get... me= not only guy went 4 lil HJ & found my dick in girls mouth / pussy 20 min after... holistic girls surprise sometimes...

...but totally disciplined hobbyists only getting HJ still run risk...

... chance of getting those other things is maybe 1-2%... & we don’t care, honestly... chance of getting symptomatic COVID maybe another 0.1%...

...u can argue the math... tried 2 show my sources, reasonable minds may differ... but agree w @Caliguy.

...personal risk is one thing... flatten the curve is another... 0.1% x 280 dudes reading this thread = 28%... and rising... everyone must weigh risks.
 

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...yeah, changes depending what services u get... me= not only guy went 4 lil HJ & found my dick in girls mouth / pussy 20 min after... holistic girls surprise sometimes...

...but totally disciplined hobbyists only getting HJ still run risk...

... chance of getting those other things is maybe 1-2%... & we don’t care, honestly... chance of getting symptomatic COVID maybe another 0.1%...

...u can argue the math... tried 2 show my sources, reasonable minds may differ... but agree w @Caliguy.

...personal risk is one thing... flatten the curve is another... 0.1% x 280 dudes reading this thread = 28%... and rising... everyone must weigh risks.
Yes, we respect everyone's thoughts. This last weekend was not good though..
 

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Not really . There are a few owners told me that they are worried girls may not come back to work because of health concerns.
Yup. For the girls who have options, I think they'd be nuts to return until there is a vaccine. This may turn out to be one more of those things that works against the "marginalized" sex workers.
 

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...& now it’s 1.1% to 2.1%. with COVID, given

large chance no symptoms...
I take it that epidemiology isn't your area of expertise. COVID spread is a function of exposure duration as well as proximity. In other words, the closer you are to someone who's shedding the virus and the length of time that you're with them are critical. So being naked, touching, swapping fluids, for 45 minutes or an hour is pretty much the ideal setting to spread this. If one person in that room is infected, then there's almost a guarantee that the virus will be passed from one to the other. Whether the virus "takes hold" or not is more dependent on that individual.
 

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I don't know how the girls will be giving massages if we all need to be 2 metres apart.
Ya, kind of my point. Robotics may be the future of the ol' rub 'n tug. I think they do surgery like that now, so....
 

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Hard pass to a masked, gloved, covered session.

Fuck that low mileage shit. Nothing says turn off like swapping out lotion for a purell'ed fully dressed 'body slide'
 

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I take it that epidemiology isn't your area of expertise. COVID spread is a function of exposure duration as well as proximity. In other words, the closer you are to someone who's shedding the virus and the length of time that you're with them are critical. So being naked, touching, swapping fluids, for 45 minutes or an hour is pretty much the ideal setting to spread this. If one person in that room is infected, then there's almost a guarantee that the virus will be passed from one to the other. Whether the virus "takes hold" or not is more dependent on that individual.
...guessing u not prof scientist either...

Based on USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT data

my assumptions:
  1. If MPA infectious, u=exposed
  2. Some chance yr immune system knocks it out right away, no antibody response
  3. Some chance you are mildly infected & no symptoms
  4. Some chance you have mild symptoms
  5. Some chance very sick & hospitalized
  6. And chance to die
So 1= 100%, 2= 75%, 3= 60% of 25%, 15%,
4= 9%, 5= 1%, 6= 1 in 5000


...these = young healthy sailors, but more similar 2 hobbyists than long term care residents.

...so what is the chance that yr MPA = infectious? Remember, she could be immune, 2. Say 1%...

...even tho yr interaction will expose you, your outcome is very uncertain... most likely nothing serious. Based on USS TR data.
 

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It's a probability game. I am not a mathematician or medical doctor, I look at the issue by common sense and observations. There are a fair number of people working in Supermarket got the virus because of exposure to the number of people each day on their job. By the same token, an MPA contacts many people closely and MPAs are in close contact with each other when not working; also, most MPAs work in more than one place. All these make spreading a decease extremely easy. It's a person choice, I tend to wait till the virus is really under control.
 

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...guessing u not prof scientist either...
Actually.... not my field, but I kinda am... ;-)

Many of your assumptions are a bit of a stretch, but I'll sit back and watch the experiment unfold.

I will acknowledge that if you are young and healthy, the risk is likely minimal. I'm not sure that most clients fall into that category. I see a fair number of older fuckers in the places I visit.
 
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Here’s the problem with all the math. It fails to take into account human nature. Sex workers, particularly those with menus that include kissing and bbbj, not likely good assessors of risk or those that care. Incidents of STDs and unplanned pregnancies higher in SW group than general pop. LL full of ads for SPs who still clearly working every day at regular prices and seeing volume.

Add to that most MPAs at the higher end non-Asian joints are young. That is the very demo that you see everywhere not wearing masks, hanging out with their friends and generally ignoring social distance rules. Assume most MPs who live with a bf or roommate are not living with a white collar worker either. More likely a guy or girl who is in a lower level job more likely to also be working.

And let’s not even get started with the conspiracy theorists, cabbies, construction workers etc who frequent the spas after a day of jobs with no social distance.

I think that spas will be a breeding ground for the second wave.

I wish I were wrong bc I have a long TDL covering several of the spas.
 

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Here’s the problem with all the math. It fails to take into account human nature. Sex workers, particularly those with menus that include kissing and bbbj, not likely good assessors of risk or those that care. Incidents of STDs and unplanned pregnancies higher in SW group than general pop. LL full of ads for SPs who still clearly working every day at regular prices and seeing volume.

Add to that most MPAs at the higher end non-Asian joints are young. That is the very demo that you see everywhere not wearing masks, hanging out with their friends and generally ignoring social distance rules. Assume most MPs who live with a bf or roommate are not living with a white collar worker either. More likely a guy or girl who is in a lower level job more likely to also be working.

And let’s not even get started with the conspiracy theorists, cabbies, construction workers etc who frequent the spas after a day of jobs with no social distance.

I think that spas will be a breeding ground for the second wave.

I wish I were wrong bc I have a long TDL covering several of the spas.
Agree 100%
 

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If the professionals who get paid to figure this out cant, what makes anyone on here think they can.

Places will re-open when they re-open. Shit will be safe until it's not.
 
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I had a little chat with my doctor today about the immune system. He made a point that George Carlin made about the immune system needing "exercise" in order to remain robust (there is a another post on this forum where the poster links to that Carlin routine). My doctor says with all the exposure he has to sick people, over the years he rarely gets sick (but when he does he really gets sick). I am not saying we should take any chances, but I wander if with all this social distancing and obsessive cleansing that we are making ourselves more vulnerable to everyday illnesses? Or am I looking for excuses not to do housework?
 

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Exercise helps but it has been reporting top young sport people got the virus.
I did not mean literal exercise, I meant that the immune system needs to be continually challenged to remain strong - we need to get a little dirty and hang out with our dirty friends (who do not have the virus). Milf MPAs probably have really strong immune systems. Stay healthy, fuck a milf!
 

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A lot of guilt and shame seems baked into the idea that shunning spas is your passport to safety.

Upwards of 70% of everyone are projected to eventually get this thing no matter what you do.

Primary vector of transmission has been crowded spaces, rather than one on one interactions.

Offices, restaurants, malls, bars, airplanes, etc. etc. will almost certainly present a greater overall risk, even factoring in prolonged intimate contact with your sex worker.

Over 80% of all Canada's 6000+ deaths so far have been people in old age homes. More people together = greater risk.

Pretty amazing these poor old folks were transferred away from hospitals and discouraged from coming there, in order to keep hospitals ready for a deluge of patients who never arrived...

 
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