Chat Despite wide spread opposition, Costa Rica legalized same-sex marriage yesterday.

[snoopdoggie]

That is a religious point of view (and if you are religious how can you justify being a hobbyist). The legal reason for marriage has a lot to do with property rights. Personally I initially objected to the idea of same-sex marriage but I eventually realized I was wrong. I had this idea that gay people were frivolous and irresponsible party people. Some of there are, but that is true of some straight people as well. Take a look at the straight people around you and ask yourself how many of them you trust to be loyal partners and good parents until their children are ready to be independent and leave home.

Pretty much all of them that are around me are loyal and good parents.

 

[snoopdoggie]

Appreciate the response.

Two questions from your reasoning:

If a married couple (man and woman) chooses not to have children does that mean their marriage is not legitimate?

If a married couple chooses to not have children then are they by your definition, not a family?

There are some people that can't have children for many different reasons. The marriage shouldn't be nullified because of this. There is still a penis and a vagina.

A married couple is still a family. Sometimes it's just a family that didn't have children.

 

[UsefulIdiot]

What makes you think it a religious point of view? Marriage is a public law. It doesn't have anything to do with your religion or your denomination. It's a law for every single human, whether you are religious or atheist.

What makes you think it a religious point of view? Marriage is a public law. It doesn't have anything to do with your religion or your denomination. It's a law for every single human, whether you are religious or atheist.

A marriage license is a legal contract that says nothing about penises and vaginas. Most of the opposition to same-sex marriage comes from religious groups - atheists for the most part mind their own business. If you are being honest with yourself you just do not like it and are trying to find arguments to justify your position.

 

[snoopdoggie]

A marriage license is a legal contract that says nothing about penises and vaginas. Most of the opposition to same-sex marriage comes from religious groups - atheists for the most part mind their own business. If you are being honest with yourself you just do not like it and are trying to find arguments to justify your position.

Marriage licences don't need to get into biological details. We all know the differences between a man and a woman. Don't pretend you're stupid.

Now, let me ask you a question. If you think same sex marriage is so great, then why is the majority of the people are against it?

 

[UsefulIdiot]

Pretty much all of them that are around me are loyal and good parents.

Then you are in good company. I know quite a few people who are in bad marriages and divorced. In my family the only divorce is one of my uncles.

 

[snoopdoggie]

Then you are in good company. I know quite a few people who are in bad marriages and divorced. In my family the only divorce is one of my uncles.

There are many troubled people in this world. And I believe the people involved in same sex marriage are troubled people. Not everyone is as lucky as others. But sometimes you have to create your own luck.

 

[UsefulIdiot]

Marriage licences don't need to get into biological details. We all know the differences between a man and a woman. Don't pretend you're stupid.

Now, let me ask you a question. If you think same sex marriage is so great, then why is the majority of the people are against it?

Most people were against Irish immigrants 100 years ago, it did not make them right. People are apprehensive about the unknown. Their opinions change with real world experience. Now let me ask you a question. Do you have any gay acquaintances and what is your opinion of them?

 

[snoopdoggie]

Most people were against Irish immigrants 100 years ago, it did not make them right. People are apprehensive about the unknown. Their opinions change with real world experience. Now let me ask you a question. Do you have any gay acquaintances and what is your opinion of them?

I don't have any gay acquaintances. I just know one guy that I was told he is a father of a gay teenager. I always thought the father was a bit strange. When I found out about his gay child, I thought it was odd because the father was always talking about women, how he wanted to screw them, and stuff like that. I thought he was a little over the top, like he was overly obsessed with women.

 

[snoopdoggie]

Maybe that was his way of covering up his gay thoughts. Very strange.

 

[UsefulIdiot]

I don't have any gay acquaintances. I just know one guy that I was told he is a father of a gay teenager. I always thought the father was a bit strange. When I found out about his gay child, I thought it was odd because the father was always talking about women, how he wanted to screw them, and stuff like that. I thought he was a little over the top, like he was overly obsessed with women.

I think if you spent more time interacting with out gay people you might get a better opinion of them. When I was a young taxi driver I had a lot of passes made at me by closeted gay men and this really gave me a bad impression of them. Since that time I have had exposure to more upstanding members of the gay community and my opinions have evolved.

 

[imthedude]

I don't have any gay acquaintances. I just know one guy that I was told he is a father of a gay teenager. I always thought the father was a bit strange. When I found out about his gay child, I thought it was odd because the father was always talking about women, how he wanted to screw them, and stuff like that. I thought he was a little over the top, like he was overly obsessed with women.

So how long have you wanted to marry a man?

 

[PrimeRib]

There are some people that can't have children for many different reasons. The marriage shouldn't be nullified because of this. There is still a penis and a vagina.

A married couple is still a family. Sometimes it's just a family that didn't have children.

What does biology (having a penis and a vagina) have to do with marriage? Is being able to create children fundamental to the definition of family?

Keep in mind, being able to create children and choosing not to have children are two different things. But according to your logic, they're fundamental to your definition of marriage and why gays aren't normal.

 

[Sybarite]

What makes you think it a religious point of view?

...Getting married is supposed to be a holy and sacred act. These gay people have forced the human race to change the meaning of marriage to the point where it is no longer holy and sacred...

Do you not know what these words mean and where they come from?

 

[Sybarite]

...Now, let me ask you a question. If you think same sex marriage is so great, then why is the majority of the people are against it?

Wrong...

Attitudes on Same-Sex Marriage

In Pew Research Center polling in 2001, Americans opposed same-sex marriage by a margin of 57% to 35%. Since then, support for same-sex marriage has steadily grown.

www.pewforum.org

Support for same-sex marriage has steadily grown over the past 15 years. And today, support for same-sex marriage remains near its highest point since Pew Research Center began polling on this issue. Based on polling in 2019, a majority of Americans (61%) support same-sex marriage, while 31% oppose it.

Even the majority of religious people are for it!

About two-thirds of white mainline Protestants (66%) now support same-sex marriage, as do a similar share of Catholics (61%).

Perhaps these people have some idea that Christ cared about the dispossessed.

I will grant you it's probably true that the majority of intolerant racists and bigots still oppose universal marriage rights they claim for themselves.

 

[Sybarite]

Just in case there's an objection to an American source...

1 in 4 Canadians still oppose full same-sex marriage rights: poll | Globalnews.ca

Two-thirds of respondents said they fully support the right to same-sex marriage, while 11 per cent were undecided.

globalnews.ca

Fourteen years after Canada legalized full marriage rights for same-sex couples, a new poll has found one in four Canadians still oppose the measure.

One in 10 respondents to the Research Co. poll opposed any legal recognition of same-sex couples, while 15 per cent said they should be allowed to have civil unions but not marry.

Two-thirds of respondents said they fully support the right to same-sex marriage

I guess that makes Snoopdoggie part of the 10% opposing any legal recognition here in [the dictatorship of] Canada...

 

[snoopdoggie]

I think if you spent more time interacting with out gay people you might get a better opinion of them. When I was a young taxi driver I had a lot of passes made at me by closeted gay men and this really gave me a bad impression of them. Since that time I have had exposure to more upstanding members of the gay community and my opinions have evolved.

I have never known anyone personally that was gay, just one or 2 people that I knew or heard about. Now that I think about it more, there was another guy I used to know at work, not personally, but someone told was me he was gay. I found out it was true, because when I was at Walmart, one day, I saw him walking down an aisle pushing a shopping cart, and the same time he was walking inseparably, almost literally hand in hand with another guy, as if that other guy was a girl. It looked so pathetic and so unorthodoxed, that I almost started laughing out loud. I had to work hard to control myself from busting out. It was so hilarious looking.

I really think if people really have to marry someone of the same sex, it just means that they are lacking something mentally. It has to be some kind of mental illness. There are many kinds of mental illnesses. You have people that have addictions, people that are depressed, with thoughts of suicide, there are people that are always stealing things from others. Those are all mental illnesses. Why can't people accept the fact that being gay, is a mental illness, just like everything else. I'm not trying to make fun of them, but obviously there is something wrong with them. Is it possibly because they have problems dealing with people with the opposite sex? Or they just can't attract someone from the opposite sex? At this point we still don't know why this is happening, and the gay people themselves seem as if they don't want to tell us why, or just can't tell us why. It also seems people don't want to accept the fact that being gay could be a mental illness.

That being said, even though these people have problems dealing with or attracting their opposites, it still doesn't justify legalizing same sex marriage.

Then you also have a group of people that want to take advantage of our tax system. They claim that same sex marriage should be legal for the purpose of claiming tax deductions. Because married couples pay less tax than singles. That is just plain stupid, selfish, and arrogant.

Also I have never had guys make passes at me, and thank goodness no one has, because I would've told them to fuck off. Lol.

 

[snoopdoggie]

So how long have you wanted to marry a man?

Never have, never will.

 

[snoopdoggie]

What does biology (having a penis and a vagina) have to do with marriage? Is being able to create children fundamental to the definition of family?

Keep in mind, being able to create children and choosing not to have children are two different things. But according to your logic, they're fundamental to your definition of marriage and why gays aren't normal.

It's pretty obvious that a penis is made to go inside a vagina instead of an asshole, right? If a guy doesn't have a vagina, then his male partner can't have sex with him, unless he wants his rectum damaged for the rest of his life.

Duh, buddy. Should I really spell out everything, and spoon feed you?

 

[snoopdoggie]

Most people were against Irish immigrants 100 years ago, it did not make them right. People are apprehensive about the unknown. Their opinions change with real world experience. Now let me ask you a question. Do you have any gay acquaintances and what is your opinion of them?

Irish immigrants isn't a threat to society, even 100 years ago. You can't compare gay marriage to Irish immigrants. Lol.
Get real, buddy.

 

[PrimeRib]

It's pretty obvious that a penis is made to go inside a vagina instead of an asshole, right? If a guy doesn't have a vagina, then his male partner can't have sex with him, unless he wants his rectum damaged for the rest of his life.

Duh, buddy. Should I really spell out everything, and spoon feed you?

It sounds like you’re coming from a place of hate and a complete lack of empathy. As if gays being allowed to marry threatens you in some fashion. You can’t even answer basic questions and only offer answers that contradict your own reasoning.

Gays can’t procreate and therefore cannot be considered a family and unfit to marry, yet a male/female marriage can make a conscious choice to not have children, but that’s fine.

You alone don’t get to be the arbiter of what’s right and wrong. You are a voice in society that (fortunately) gets the same opportunity to vote and speak about the kind of change society wants.