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Cosmetic acupuncture

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Just wondering if anyone practices cosmetic acupuncture or has had it done and what they thought of it?, what is the theory behind it and why is it called cosmetic acupuncture?
 
hi star99

in response to the second part of your question 'the theory behind cosmetic acupuncture' there is a good description on the site mentioned below that mentions how it originated with information from results carried out in studies as well as what the treatment can achieve:
http://www.cosmeticacupunctureuk.com/about-treatment.html

i hope this can help
 
Thanks MY, interesting, I just feel the word 'cosmetic' puts a false spin on it,cosmetic to me would be superficial and I know acupuncture is far from that.Perhaps it reaches a different market area as in an alternative to cosmetic surgery.
 
I and many others consider "cosmetic" acupuncture to be several steps away from the heart of Chinese medicine. However, I do accept that some people feel "better" when they look better, and as adults we are at liberty to try what we will. I for one would feel uneasy offering this service as a health-improving technique. True beauty and vitality shine from within.

Interestingly, the new "guidelines" from the ASA do not allow any reference to "facial rejuvination" or "facial revitalisation" in practitioner advertising or marketing, suggeting that there is not enough "evidence". What constitutes evidence is another matter entirely.

If you are considering going ahead with this proceedure, ensure that your practitioner is registered with the local authority, and with a professional body that ensures high standards of training and safety. Anyone can call themselves an acupuncturist, as there is (as yet) no statutory regulation.Some of the practitioners on the wesite link in the earlier post do not seem to hold professional "acupuncture" qualifications. I wouldn't take my car to a plumber for repairs- nor would I do something similar with my body!
 
Thanks David, I wonder how acupuncturists explain the procedure to someone who is only interested in cosmetic terms, would they explain the holistic element?.Im also wondering could this be done with acupressure?
I have seen lots of medical clinics in my area advertising this cosmetic procedure but as you say one does have to look at their qualifications etc.
 
I'm not sure how others might qualify what they do, or the terms they might use. The quality of vitality depends in Chinese medicine on qi, blood, a free circulation, good nutrition, absence of pathogenic factors and a life free of worry. Oh yes, and good parental health at conception. I'm not sure how any of these could change significantly in one or two sessions, seeing how it often takes weeks if not months to create lasting effects using chinese medicine.

Personally, I think that there is likely to be a localised change in the tissue structures. In the film I watched where the practitioner used dozens of needles in the face, there is likely to be minor swelling that plumps up the tissues. How long this lasts I wouldn't like to say.

Again, speaking personally, I didn't undergo a long and expensive training to work as a beautitian. That's not a dig at those that do, it's just not for me.
 
Hi

I agree with the points that DM made, and as for the cosmetic world each to his or hers....Got to be better than injecting toxins, and nips and tucks.

As Jack says in this link, it's got to come from inside: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEdClu1KeC8&feature=related

RP
 
I provide this service as a means purely to demonstrate that it does work! As for cosmetic acupuncture this is usually applied by beauty therapist that have attended a short course and have no understanding of the internal energy system.
During the process you are generating a lot of energy and directing it for a postive effect on the face, if this energy is not 'grounded' after a treatment it can cause more problems.
I researched and tested this procedure before offering it to others so i would know the true effects of the outcome.
I would not EVER let a practitioner who is NOT trained in traditional acvupuncture with the neccessary years of experinence to work on my face and those interested in having it done shoould seek a classically trained person.
I include full body acupuncture in all treatments to balance to some extent 'control' the energy system while i work.
I beleive this 'cosmetic' acupuncture is just another means of revenue, and people 'using' a very ancient sytem to promote a look and feeling that so many of us aspire to.
The shear fact of beauty acupuncture goes against the grain of traditional application, but you cannot deny that history tells us it has been used for many hundreds of years.
A trained practitioner will get good results, a poorly trained one will cause problems.
There is always a reason why skin, muscles and outward appearence change, sometimes earlier than expected. discovering this and treating it will have far better and long lasting results than ' cosmetic' acupuncture.
I term my treatment as 'facial acupuncture' and i make no claims other than those of whom i have treated.
Marked results are fuller skin, improved hair condition, firmer skin, and less facial lines.
Like i said i provide this a service to supply a correct application and hopefully prevent people from using 'bee venom', snake venom', fillers. etc.

INDO
 
Hi

Good reply Indo knowing that you do it.

Trying not to go off topic, I think one of the problems with CAM is that someone takes a series of skills/techniques and package it, therefore watering down the overall system. This affects CAM is general and you see it in TCM, Ayurveda and Naturopathy. Bits taken out losing it's effectiveness and the underlining holistic principles behind it. It's a bit like buying mince pies thinking that is christmas, not realising that there is a tree, greetings cards, turkey and the trimmings.

Best wishes

RP
 
Thing is though, Indo, under ASA rules were not allowed to use testimonials for conditions other than those on the "approved" list! I suppose, if your not actually "treating" a condition you might get away with it, but the message that the BAcC gives to its members (who HAVE to comply with ASA regs according to the BAcC constitution) is that the ASA deem that there is no evidence that shows the value of facial acupuncture. That goes for all the other things that we know acupuncture works for as well.
 
Hi David,

If the ASA say there is no evidence than i would be more than happy to present some to them!
Photographic evidence is the only sure evidence that we need to show this is a credible application , if applied correctly.
Have there actually been any sufficient studies? and if the ASA are going to clamp down on what is regarded as 'proven' or not then they must provide a valid testing system.
Only time will tell how this will effect us anyway!
 
The ASA has stipulated that RCT trials are currently the only acceptable evidence for acupuncture treatment. This poses a few difficulties for the profession. For an RCT to work there must be "double blinding". In normal drug trials, neither the patient nor the practitioner knows whether the pill or cream being tested is the real thing or a "dummy". That way, the effects of placebo are supposedly eliminated, as the real drug would have to work significantly better than the dummy (which would also work in some patients because of placebo effect).

With acupuncture it's impossible for a practitioner to know if he/she is administering "dummy" acupuncture. Now you can see the problem. For your photographic evidence to be valid, you would have to be able to demonstrate that the proceedure has significant advantage over "dummy" acupuncture, and that neither you or your patient should be able to tell which was which! Then you would have to be able to repeat the same process time after time, with thousands of patients.

This puts the whole profession in a bind. The ASA will only accept trials done this way, but acupuncture is difficult to test this way. A real dilemma. As of March 1st, any website or other marketing materials become subject to ASA scrutiny, and any not complying will become subject to a "steward's enquiry" with the results published in the public domain, and the practitioner "named and shamed", and then reported to Trading Standards if they fail to comply with the findings.

If you are not worried by now, then maybe you should be. The ASA has taken upon itself to decide what we can say, and how we can say it. Many in the profession feel that this is part of a larger "hidden agenda" to discredit what we do, with the eventual aim of outlawing non-medical practitioners, leaving the field open to midwives and podiatrist that have done 2 weekend's training. Not good, as the rules don't apply to them, being "medical" practitioners.
 
As an added note for those CAM therapists including the micro-systems acupuncturists that are registered with the CNHC, they have have just announced advertising advice to their registrants:

http://www.cnhc.org.uk/assets/6-046.pdf

RP
 
Cheers RP!

I didn't realise Microsystems was covered on the CNHC! does that mean we qualify with the W&A?

DM
Pretty soon it will just come down to experience of the practitioner and personal recomendation

Name.......Job Title......Qualifications.....Experience....

Why are the 'medical' bods running so scared? lack of revenue for drug prescriptions come to mind.

anyway.......

I'll be in the forest, hidden under a large rock if anyone wants any 'treatment' ......for back pain....and....er....back pain!

INDO
 
Hi Chris, Micro-Systems from the 14th Feb according to the CNHC website. It should cover Auricular and W&A, that was why we got those extra case studies! It's to do with the agreed industry standards from what I understand.
 
Sorry Star, I think we have taken over your thread.

Best wishes

RP
 
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    ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’— โ„๐”ธโ„™โ„™๐• ๐”ธโ„™โ„๐•€๐•ƒ ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ APRIL 12th , Fฬฝอ“Rฬฝอ“Iฬฝอ“Dฬฝอ“Aฬฝอ“Yฬฝอ“ ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 707-6866 ๐Ÿ•™๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸOpen 10:30-10:00๐Ÿ—บ#33-160 East Beaver Creek ๐Ÿ—บ 7 Rms ๐Ÿ›๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸTable Shower(TS)+Massage 2hr $120*,TS & massage 1hr $90, ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ$40/50/60 for 30/45/60min ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸAttendants: We have 7๏ธโƒฃ today ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒน SOPHIE ๐ŸŒนCECILIA ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ†• SUNNY ๐ŸŒน CHERRY ๐ŸŒน ๐Ÿ†• OLIVIA ๐ŸŒน LILIAN ๐ŸŒนLUCY ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ NEWSFLASH ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ SOPHIE & ๐Ÿ†• SUNNY & CHERRY & ๐Ÿ†• OLIVIA & LILIAN & CECILIA โ€˜ s BACK ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ TODAY ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€
  29. Lulu1980:
    Hi guys ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนWe are Phoenix blossom Spaโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ Elegant environment ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนUnique Table showerโค๏ธBody scrubโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธThere are 3 girls every day, new girl Chloe sexy body and Mia nice girl ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนProfessional massage technique of Helen๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน5124 Dundas W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366
  30. admin:
    New way to visit MP - massage.news or massage.ltd try it out.
  31. hiyamickey:
    6 girls working @3555 14th Ave unit #7 Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-470-8082
  32. Sparkling Spa:
    ๐Ÿ‘ŒMENTION OUR ADS AND RECEIVE A ROOM DISCOUNT $35 FOR 30MIN, $50 FOR 45MINโ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT#8
  33. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Anna๐Ÿ˜˜- A stunning sexy girl from Hong Kong
  34. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have young 4 beautiful girls are working today , new ใ€youngใ€open mind Ivy with great body. ๐Ÿ’‹Lina with large breasts and nice services. ๐Ÿ’‹cute fun great massage Cindy ๐Ÿ’‹and pretty GFE Ella are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, (tel:416-3985777) book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wil son Ave North York
  35. GoldenFlower:
    THURSDAY at ๐Ÿ’›โญ๐ŸŒŸGOLDEN FLOWER SPA๐ŸŒŸโญ๐Ÿ’›, 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6 (Kennedy & Hwy 7), Markham, ON 905-258-0777: Jojo, Lucky, Sherry & Sonia Jojo is a beautiful 20Yr Hong Kong girl who can gently melt your cares away. Lucky is a slim & beautiful Cambodian lady with a special touch. Sonia comes from India with love.
  36. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  37. ASPA:
    ๐—ง๐—›๐—จ๐—ฅ๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Fox, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ FOX is 26 years old with 34Cโ€™s, stands 164Cm tall and weighs 54Kg. Fox is very friendly and can provide a great girlfriend experience.
  38. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Candy, Young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  39. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 818-8896โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ MAY - ๐Ÿ”ฅHong Kong Service Queen with Open Minded Menu & Very Flexible Girl to Indulge in Your Wild Erotic Fetish and Fantasy๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a n
  40. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธHelen & Jenny. Helen is a sweet and very lovable Asian beauty with just enough curves to tease you, and an attitude to please you. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curved with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy.
  41. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡New First Day Slim Petite Judy, Sexy Busty Thai Girl Vinnie, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Vicky
  42. Sparkling Spa:
    CALIENTE STELLA & SEX GODDESS ZOE TODAY @โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave)โœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Sofia & Tracy. Cindy is on VACATION๐Ÿ˜ข, and is expected to return around April 7๐Ÿ˜. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch bbbj & cfs, and remains famous for one of the best doggy position views. A must see.
  44. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿ’ฅ Crystal & Tiana are here Today! Call/Text: (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime - Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  45. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ANGEL, ASHA, MAY, AMANDA, PRIYA, AAVI, MALIYA, KANIKA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  46. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿ’„ Happy is in Today ~๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ฒ: (647) 381-2688 ~ Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious | Our girls provide lots of service options & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open 9am - 2am everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  47. Bellagio Wellness &Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’— โ„๐”ธโ„™โ„™๐• ๐”ธโ„™โ„๐•€๐•ƒ ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ APRIL 11th , Tฬฝอ“Hฬฝอ“Uฬฝอ“Rฬฝอ“Sฬฝอ“Dฬฝอ“Aฬฝอ“Yฬฝอ“ ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 707-6866 ๐Ÿ•™๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸOpen 10:30-10:00๐Ÿ—บ#33-160 East Beaver Creek ๐Ÿ—บ 7 Rms ๐Ÿ›๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸTable Shower(TS)+Massage 2hr $120*,TS & massage 1hr $90, ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ$40/50/60 for 30/45/60min ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸAttendants: We have 6๏ธโƒฃ today ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒน SOPHIE ๐ŸŒนCECILIA ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ†• SUNNY ๐ŸŒน ERICA ๐ŸŒน ๐Ÿ†• OLIVIA ๐ŸŒน LUCY ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ NEWSFLASH ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ SOPHIE & ๐Ÿ†• SUNNY & ERICA & ๐Ÿ†• OLIVIA & CECILIA โ€˜ s BACK ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ TODAY ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€
  48. bumika.vashi:
    (((เค†เคชเค•เฅ‹ เคฌเคฟเคจเคพ เคจเคพเคŸเค• เคฏเคพ เคจเค–เคฐเฅ‡ เค•เคฐเคจเฅ‡ เคตเคพเคฒเคพ เคธเคฐเฅเคตเคฟเคธ เคšเคพเคนเฅ‡ เคคเฅ‹เคน เคฏเคพเคฆ เค•เคฐเคจเคพ. ))) If you want Service without Drama or Tantrums, Remember it. Will Try To Give You The Best Possible Sweating Experience With Full Company. TAKE MY WORD.?? Don't Waste Your Time And Money In Some Other Place Where You are Really Upset Loosing Out Both Money And Fun. Ok Try With Our Girls Once Then Your Visit Will Be Regular To Me.... _________________N O T E_________________ If u like my services Please Please Do not forget to
  49. BarrySanders123:
    who would u recommend at Vaughan spa
  50. hasek:
    indian
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