I'm sorry I'm going to have to disagree with Bohemian and Burt that 12 step program is effective, as Burt believes 12-step programs have a effective proven record, but he may not be far off it's it better than other programs, as many are just as dismal? The 12-step program comes out of the religious basis I talked about earlier, it's basically Christian although they allow you to substitute the Buddha or someone similar if you like. But like I said so many mongers just aren't religious and will get insulted if you are going to ask them to turn themselves over to a power greater then themselves and admit they are powerless to fight their addiction. Many people critical of 12-step programs say admitting you are powerless over your addiction is really a self-fulfilling prophecy. The AA record of keeping people off alcohol is very poor and they have a very high drop out rate, however those that stay to the end usually have a higher perceneforum.xxxe of success, and those that stay end up dying of something else. I been to a few sets of meeting twice once as a undergraduate psychology student, and once when I got a DUI, for a total of 10 meetings, and man do those people smoke and drink coffee something terrible, to me it was boring and really only a social setting. They say the success rate of people by themselves is about 50% and in fact see no difference the meetings make and put their success rate at 0% others put it at 5% to 10% above people beating the problem on their own. ( My Grand uncle found success off this program, and was a leader, but a year after he licked his problem he died of a heart attack, as he become a two pack a day smoker) Now that's talking about AA programs for alcohol, but now you have all these other groups substituting the word alcohol for sex addictions, gambling, etc etc.....oh yeah they even have a 12-step program called " Schizophrenics Anonymous" how would you like to be in that one? The only universal medicine that has been able to cure so many different health problems as the 12-step programs was called 'snake oil' that was popular in the turn of the century by traveling medicines shows.I think the same thing is going on here, when 12-step programs claim they could cure so many problems like addictions Of course 12-step programs are free, but sometimes you get what you pay for, and that doesn't count your time wasted at these meetings, and gas. Another criticism of 12-step programs is they don't have a professional leader, just other guys and girls just like you, some say it's another example of the 'blind leading the blind." But with 12-step sex addict problems you have problems with guys going to to pick up sex addicted females, or as all group therapy sessions, you have a big mouthed guy doing all the talking. Let me give one example why the 12-step program doesn't always transfer over as well as the alcohol 12 step program. In both programs after you admit your powerless over you own problem and tell God or your higher power to fix you, your suppose listen and surrender your will over to a veteran of AA who has been their before, and he helps you out when you need it, for example you in a bar at 1:00AM and you want to drink, so you call the veteran on the phone, wake him up and he'll go get you, and help you though your situation so you won't take the drink or stop you from taking others. Now lets suppose Burt and I am in the sex addiction 12-step program and Burt's my mentor veteran who has beat this problem, and I'm the newbie sex addict, and one night just like the other night I see this HOT chica dancer/sex provider at Hong Kong at 2:00AM she is a tall red-head with 38 C/D sized melon big tits with a body to die for, and I want to fuck her so bad, so I call up Burt, hey Burt, I don't think I could control myself, there is this hot chica I want to fuck, can you save me from myself and stop me from fucking her? You think Burt's going to get out of bed and save me? Hell no, he'll hang up the phone, or say he'll be right there, save some for me to get sloppy seconds. I just don't see the mentor part working at all. (true story about the redhead at HK, I wanted her bad, but passed on her, and then didn't see her again, and settled for this Miami chica, with big tits who was a 6 at best, the HK chica was an 8 1/2) I think the best thing to do with 12-step programs is to use it in conjunction with other therapies, and/or drug treatments.