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E&M Wellness @ 7665 Kennedy Rd

Discussion in 'Toronto Massage Review' started by krayjee, Jul 22, 2016.


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  1. zancrow

    zancrow New Member

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    had a sesson with cici recently, does she not tease at all or something? i had to tell her after like 30minutes of massaging that i enjoyed teasing and would like some smh and even then, it was lackluster and not sensual at all
     
  2. krayjee

    krayjee Reviewer

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    Holistic spa is a much better choice if you want to make quick bucks with very little investment. I will give you a very good example. It costs over $160,000 to bulid E&M from ground up and it costs Blue Sky less than $30,000. Blue Sky owners Cici and Eva both working, they were making average over $1,000 everyday in their first 3-4 months, doing so well and was about to expand by renovating the basement to install two table shower rooms and all. They changed that plan after I left E&M and their spa got slowed down as well. Nevertheless they made their money back in less than 4 months. Candy spa bought their spa for just $24, 000 and it was all paid off in 3 months.
    E&M on the other hand was struggling to make ends meet on their first few months after they opened in late september 2015 and running at a loss every month with getting only 13-14 customers a day to a point Esther and Michelle has to bring in Eva as additional partner to help secure the spa. It took me about 3-4 months and a few changes of ladies to put E&M on solid ground after I started helping them out. E&M still owes quite a big chunk of money to the bank. It is not as easy as you all think.
    We all can see clearly who is doing better by the kind of cars the holistic spa owners are driving compared to semi legit spa owners. Most girls working at holistic spas make $500 to 800 a day and girls working at semi legit spas make avg only $250 to 350 after very hard work.
     
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  3. foxymystery3075

    foxymystery3075 Active Member

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    Yes...exactly my point- I said it 'in short'.

    Everybody wants to earn more by doing nothing or less...why wouldnt one think about opening/switching to holistic. Let's say you don't want to do it for x reasons. But the thought will most definitely cross ones mind.





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  4. krayjee

    krayjee Reviewer

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    I don't think it will happen any time soon. Michelle was quite easy to work with while she was struggling. Now she is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from any one. There are lots of things needed to be done, maintained and changed to improve spa image but it is hard to deal with someone who has very limited vision and targeting only on her old regulars Asian blue collar workers. E&M needs to tidy up the place and it is in need of some new fresh girls. Some of the girls at E&M were over worked and getting burnt out working 5 days a week with little breaks in between. Cici and Angel a good example. She herself was over worked and stressed out and moody most time. She turned down the two best ladies I offered to her a few months back. Both ended up at Just relax and booked solid most times

    It is a lot easier to deal with someone like Renee who admitted she knows nothing and handed me over the whole spa to manage, or smart and well educated Just Relax owner who is always asking for suggestions to improve her spa image and business. JR girls are responsible to clean the shower room of their own customers after every use to keep the place clean and spotless. She gave Christmas gifts to every of her girls and $50 cash to those who works on New Year's day including me. No wonder JR is the best managed and busiest semi legit spa in town now with lots of pkg holders and regulars with over 30 customers a day even in tough times. They even had 2 record breaking days with over 40 plus customers a few days ago while others were struggling. Even SL is benefitting from JR's spill overs.
     
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  5. qinging

    qinging Well-Known Member

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    Shangri-La is on the ropes with the "marketing genius's" guidance.(crazy $500 packages,one month door price special discount for MP members who mention the special )...on and on(not to mention the odd free hj :rolleyes:)....now not surprisingly Krayjee in search of a win is trying to attach his name to JR(numbers questionable of course)...in the meantime--"Now she (Michelle) is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from me."........Guess what KJ,Michelle let you go for a reason:rolleyes:
     
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  6. Jiminy

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    I was a spill over with no regrets but still have to check out JR...
     
  7. Notorious71

    Notorious71 Active Member

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    Is Angel working again?

    Yes, I have mentioned to Michelle she needs to get a couple of younger ladies in there but she said not easy. Strange she didnt take the two you recommended, I wonder why
     
  8. krayjee

    krayjee Reviewer

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    Angel has given up and I don't think she will ever works again in the rooms. She was pushed beyond her limits by some customers and the big boss to a point she hates doing what she was doing.

    It really is not necessary to have younger girls. All you need is some fresh faces with good personality and massage skills. None of the girls at JR are young and pretty except 2-3 girls but they have a variety of girls most work there only 1-3 days a week and customers have more choices. Thai Jenny I offered to her was very popular at Suko and JR. She lost that opportunity. E&M has all the same girls over and over almost every day most working 4-5 days a week with not much of a choice for customers and eventually they ended up going somewhere else seeking different options. Today alone we have 4-5 E&M customers at SL just for a change.
     
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  9. dimensionz00

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    Been to JR in the past and saw signs saying no body slides, and that made me leave. Is it a given that a HE will occur as I would like to go back and give it a try.

    Thanks for any info.

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  10. lotstoplaywith

    lotstoplaywith Active Member

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    HJ is standard fare
     
  11. bjfan

    bjfan Active Member

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    Don't believe everything you read.
    Nothing is a given, but YMMV.
     
  12. krayjee

    krayjee Reviewer

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    That sign was exactly the copy of the sign you saw at E&M above the water cooler. I posted them at both spas to prevent from those seeking too much extras at semi legit spas and a kinda soft message to LE. HE is a given at all semi legit spas.
     
  13. jesseyhay

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    I use to go to E&M every week then got bored. Plus had a real bad session that made me not want to go back.
    I then became a regular at JR and visited every week but now, I am also bored of the same faces Eva, Emma and Zou Zou on Friday/Sundays. I still have my package but haven't used it in awhile.
    Girls at E&M and JR are great and all but change is needed indeed.
     
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  14. Hangdai

    Hangdai Well-Known Member

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    Even many Full service holistic spas have similar signs, at the entrance and in each room, indicating nothing but a therapeutic massage is available.

    I always grin when I notice it while in my fav position.
     
  15. krayjee

    krayjee Reviewer

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    JR has some new girls you haven't tried. Thai Jenny on Sunday , great looking and very strong massage. Cherry today looks very good too, I don't think you have seen Sara, Cindy, Tina, Olivia and Miya. Olivia seems to be the youngest of the bunch at JR followed by Miya and Cherry. All of them very good looking as well. Lots of good girls from Suko are now working at Just relax.
     
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  16. Auston

    Auston New Member

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    JR or E&M? I haven't been to either but will be in the area tomorrow. Which would you recommend based on the lineups for each tomorrow?
     
  17. lotstoplaywith

    lotstoplaywith Active Member

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    JR for massage and HJ

    Unless you really want a massage and HJ then pick E&M
     
  18. whalerider

    whalerider New Member

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    if you havent been to E&M, then Michelle and Jenny are great. Michelle is the gold standard for excellent massage and amazing HE combo, but she is always booked so call ahead. cici does not do HE and i havent heard great things abt jessica either.
    btw i called today and was told it was jessica, cici, jenny and michelle on duty.
     
  19. Auston

    Auston New Member

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    I really value a good tease, some backdoor play when I'm on my stomach. A good tease and nice hj is all I want really, maybe have them get naked or topless but usually don't ask for anything more than that.
     
  20. Auston

    Auston New Member

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    Jessica CiCi and Michelle on duty for tomorrow? I would rather not call. What time can I be confident that I get Michelle or Jenny? Is it even worth going for the others? Like I said I basically only go for the backdoor tease and HJ.
     

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